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xlcr4life
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The WABAC machine is your friend yutes and the cult's worst nightmare because we can post and find so many things for people to read and figure out for themselves. Evidently, quite a few LYM are just doing that as the THREE DECADE LCers are being sent around the country to try to get the yutes really excited about card table shrines and inhaling carcinogens daily .

There are a few dozen WABAC machines working around the globe by people who know what to look for. This is not done around the clock as everyone has families, hobbies and things to get done.

For all of the yutes who think that they are special and unique, we have a surprise for you. This has all been done before by Lyn and you just happen to be the latest set of yutes who have been hijacked out of college. I thought this process began with the SDS days by Lyn, but it seems to go back even further when Lyn developed a business model which may have begun in 1965 in the SWP.

An email came in a few days ago and I thought it was fan mail from some flounder until I read it closely

As best as I can put this together, Lyn was in the SWP and writing endless reports which no one read or cared about. In the SWP was a guy named Wohlforth who has some brilliant quotes about Lyn which are right on the money.

Wohlworth had a splinter groupcalled the American Committee for the Fourth International or ACFI. ACFI published the "Bulletin for Intl Socialism" or BIS. BIS

The person(s) who were doing some research seem to be very familiar with Lyn and were shocked when they found a copy of the October 4, 1965 (Vol2 # 15) on the shelves at a major US University and were intrigued when they began to read it.

Now we can read one of the numerous WABAC machine generated fun.

Here is some of the details known by the people who have uncovered this document. Thee quotes are from the researchers who know a lot more than I know about this.

"Wohlforth set up the ACFI after his group was
expelled from the SWP in the early 1960s. It later
became the Workers League. Larouche became a supporter of
the group and after he quit the SWP he briefly became
a member before leaving it first to join the
Sparticist League for a few months and then to form
his own group which became the Labor Committee."

"The Wohlforth ACFI group published the Bulletin. Larouche
wrote for it while still a member of the SWP which is
why he wrote anonymously. He then officially joined
the group after his resignation from the SWP."

"On October 4, 1965, the Bulletin (Vol. 2, No. 15)
published part II of "Special Report on SWP Convention
: How Trotsky's 'Heirs' Celebrated the 25th
Anniversary of His Death." In it the author, almost
certainly LaRouche, devoted a section to the role of
"youth" in the party. The "youth" were from the Young
Socialist Alliance (YSA), the SWP version of the LYM.
The SWP leadership at the time was headed by Farrell
Dobbs with support from Tom Kerry."

Whoa, what I thought was some junk email is from some people who have been reading factnet and did a double take when they found out Lyn was still alive and up to his old tricks.

So what we have is a document where the researchers are pretty well convinced that Lyn Marcus wrote an article about how to use Trotsky yutes in a small org.

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xlcr4life
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Here are exerpts sent to me with their comments.

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"The conservativism of the Dobbs-Kerry tendency had an
obvious contradiction. Old cadre members were
gradually lost by attrition. Even to continue to
pursue the course of organizational conservativism,
the Dobbs-Kerry group required "new blood" for the
party to fill the emptying chairs in the branches and
-- more important to any trade union bureaucrat -- to
reduce the danger of red ink in the party's financial
accounts. Even the most conservative organization can
not exist unless it reproduces itself."

[In other words: ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS]

LaRouche then continues a bit later on:

"But faced with the contradiction of a declining old
cadre membership, Dobbs-Kerry sublimated their
anti-youth prejudices and forced themselves to accept
and exploit the youth movement. The attrition in the
old SWP cadre left them no other choice."

LaRouche next observes:

"The first instinct of the leadership was to turn thi s
youth into a political labor contingent, best fit to
run itself ragged in door-to-door subscription
campaigns, collect petition signatures, wear itself to
exhaustion in meaningless, WPA [Workers Project
Administration], "Jimmy Higgins" work ["Jimmy Higgins"
was a name for a type of slavish cadre willing to do
anything, the more menial the better, for the party],
and begin to refill the empty coffers of the SWP
treasury."

[To repeat: ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS]

Next LaRouche writes:

" "Activism" and not political qualifications became the
standard of youth leadership and membership. The
perpetual exhaustion of youth driven to superactivism
was easily turned into bitter hostility against
"older" comrades who could not maintain the pace and
still maintain their responsibilities to their jobs
and families."

{SOUND FAMILIAR?}

We continue to quote:

"As the numbers of these superactivism-dragooned youth increased in the party's ranks, they became the social layer whose frenzy was the tool for effecting the expulsion of political minorities, attacking all critics of the regime, the instrument which destroyed the last vestige of democratic centralism in the SWP."


["SUPERACTIVISM-DRAGOONED YOUTH'/"ATTACKING ALL
CRITICS OF THE REGIME" -- Plus a change . . .]

We continue to quote:

"But this youth proved to be a two-edged sword. The
rage of the party youth against political minorities
was extended to "older comrades" in general. As these
youth came, in the past two years, to outnumber the
older comrades in many branches, they began to make
menacing gestures towards sections of the Dobbs-Kerry
combination itself. As Kerry repeated at this
convention, the youth have "built a fire under me" and
Kerry does not intend to lose his position, he
announced, explaining the need for more and more
expulsions and active suppression of internal
political life."
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xlcr4life
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LaRouche then inserts a subtitle "Problems of Internal
Party Life" before he continues:

"As the SWP's equivalent of a trade union bureaucracy,
Dobbs-Kerry face not only the insurgency of the youth,
but also the continuing problem of party finances and
the problem of the uneasy coalition of the
"squirearchy" and youth on which the regime itself
rests. Dobbs needs as much of the older cadre as he
can hold in order to keep the party youth in check. He
must impose a lockstep discipline upon the youth to
prevent it from throwing up political factions which
could overthrow the Dobbs-Kerry regime itself in the
relatively near future. He needs to keep the youth as
a club over the "old cadre" members of the "Cannon
school" [Jame Cannon] who are not entirely happy with
the present state and course of internal affairs."

[So the youth are really a "club" to be used against
disgruntled old cadre. Curiouser and curiouser.]

LaRouche continues:

"He [Dobbs] wants to get rid of the political
minorities and yet he needs to have a political
minority through which to divert the rage of the youth
from his own old cadre supporters. At the same time,& lt; B R>youth recruits to the party in the past two years have just balanced off the membership losses from
expulsion, resignation and other inevitable forms of
attrition. Minorities, in total, still represent about
one-quarter of the total membership and, consequently,
a significant part of Dobbs' all-important budget.
Under these circumstances, Dobbs is compelled to
resort to the most awkward organizational maneuvers in
his efforts to contain this mass of explosive
interrelated problems."

There it is. We have "an all-important budget," a need
to "divert the rage of the youth" by using the "most
awkward organizational maneuvers" to play the youth
off against the dissident older factional members in
order to "contain this mass of explosive interrelated
problems" so the leadership can continue to generate
money.

Sound familiar?

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xlcr4life
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This is a pamphlet that I have not seen and I admit no knowledge of SWP affairs. I do know this though.

Boy ,these people are pretty familiar with Lyn when he was a Marcus, when he was a Larouche and now as Fearless leader. This stuff may may be too esoteric for the yutes and people who just stumble into these posts. What I got out of this explained a lot to me about why we were such abysmal failures in anything we tried to do.

The secret is that Lyn wants followers and each revision in the LC is designed to create a more intense follower where the line seperating cult from group was crossed many times over.

I think I have the story straight now. It seems that Lyn smelled an opportunity to try to either take over an existing group and the splinter group. I guess he thought that his brilliance would cause everyone to leave and join him enmasse. When that did not happen the idea of starting his own group seemed better as everyone else thought of him as an idiot.

When I was in this was our strategy in almost everything we did. We would find the different sub stratas of politics or causes and start in by writing things to support their view. After finding and contacting the leaders and getting a membership list we tried to get the whole group to welcome Lyn as their saviour. Almost everyone figured out how loony we were and things
came to a halt. If we picked up the membership list we could call them for money and if out of that we recruited some people it was a success. We did this with RTL, the opposition to environmentalists, the GOP and Conservatives, military people, farmers, business owners with high interest rates, churches, black churches now Dems.

In each case we presented them with an elaborate report of who their enemy is who is opposing them. We sent in our "support" staff to meet and sell some subs and eventually build the idea that only Lyn can save them . It really is an insane plan because it forces them to quickly get rid of us after seeing Lyn up close. Most normal groups would conduct workshops and joint conferences and meetings to address an issue. Here the issues is just the way to get into the door and then the issue is Lyn and nothing else.

Being in the region it was really wacky because whenever we heard of some new initiative with a new layer of people we all joked that we probably burnt out the last group and now are on to the next group we will burn out.

In all of these cases the dominant theme is that Lyn and only LYN can save them from the oligarchs. After they reject him, Lyn then launched into a denunciation of the group and why without him they are impotent and will fail.


Now the resemblence to Fearless leader makes sense.

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon%20Pics/Jay%20Ward/Fearless_Leader_300.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Boris_natasha_fearless.jpg

Now Moose and Squirrel are part of conspiracy against Larouche.

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Wow, xlcr4life. What a gem! Lyn himself described in early written documents how he determined that the SWP was hopelessly centrist (a term he coopted and gave his own meaning to) from probably the late 50's, and how he basically vegetated there, just waiting for an opportune moment to split and create his own organization. In 1965, Wohlforth left to form the Workers League and Tim Robertson to form the Spartacist League. Lyn describes how when he finally left the SWP, he spent a month in the Workers League before being shown the door, and then a month in the Sparpacist League, before being shown the door. Memory fails on what exact issues he said he was rejected on, but his own clear intent to take them over was probably the real reason.

He then got involved in some tenant organizing, and through a few activists involved with that who were also in SDS at Columbia, he ended up giving some sort of lectures to members of the Labor Committee of the Columbia SDS chapter, and when Columbia exploded in the spring of 1968, a number of members of this "labor committee" played leading roles, suddenly greatly expanding its membership, and the rest is history.

As for this document, xlcr, it's a gem. There is absolutely no question that it's genuine, and written by Lyn. It's his style, and while I don't recall exactly those words, much of what the document says strikes me as vaguely familiar to points he himself made about the SWP in written documents he produced.

But boy, looked at from the perspective of the LYM, did he nail what is wrong with the "business model" the LYM is based on. With the dwindling number of Boomers being targetted by Lyn for the LYM to go after, to "revive" them, while still keeping the Boomers in the game, since they still raise almost all the money on phone teams, is precisely the tightrope that he so aptly described Dobbs and Kerry as doing. How delicious.