Tarpley versus Celente for 9/11 Truther Supremacy. Larouche sidelined.

Happy Birthday to you… Star Trek.

I am a bit surprised not to see more 9/11 Truth droppings in regards to Larouche.  Maybe I’ll have to wait a day to see this percolate.
On the eve of the 10th anniversary commemorations of the 9/11 atrocity, LaRouchePAC-TV posted a blockbuster video which rips the mask off […]
Woot!
Different time, maybe:  I do think 9/11 Truth was a big “in” in getting youth recruits during the Bush Administration.  As these things do, the 9/11 Truth bits continue to float about in chunks.  This pops up again, dropped in, from the Larouche “got it figured out” finale of 2009:

Elements of the story have already been reported in EIR, and Larouche instinctively pointed to the true nature of the operation, in a now-famous radio interview that he gave to the Salt Lake City-based syndicated radio host Dr. Jack Stockwell.

OR…

Eight months before the September 11, 2001 attacks, Lyndon Larouche forecast that the United States was at high risk for a Reichstag Fire event, an event that would allow those in power to manage through dictatorial means an economic collapse or something.

This is notable

Obama’s Thursday speech was a negative, blaming, angry, rant…enough to once again raise Obama’s inherent disability under the Twenty-fifth Amendment.  Lyndon LaRouche, among others, calls for his immediate removal from office.
I’m going to be hearing Herman Cain speak today and if I have a chance to ask him a question I will ask him the BIG # ONE QUESTION!!!
Because there are several 9/11 Truther comments that follow (nobody biting on Herman Cain?) , as well a Birther Summit item on the sidebar — just to get the big doing do of Bush Administration in with the big doing do of the Obama Administration.

How many secrets stayed secret there? Idiots from the far right of Lyndon Larouche to the far left of Rosie O’Donnell need to shut up about this one. There were a lot of casualties associated with 9-11.

Well, more officially than “some person with a blog”, it’s 9/11 Truth from Senior Iranian Diplomat
“The first stage of this interaction was the attack on Afghanistan. Some researchers, by relying on lots of evidence, believe that America itself is the cause behind the event[s] of 9/11. LyndonLaRouche, a former American presidential candidate ..

And we have an interview with Perry Clark here, the top elected Larouchie in the United States.

But no matter how true Perry Clark’s heart is, facts are facts. He has plenty to say about the condition of the working class in Louisville that should be heard, but the more he talks about LaRouche and Hitler and controlled demolitions, the less credibility he’s bound to have.

Hey.  This is interesting dissenting view.
 We know about LaRouche and his zionist-apologist whackos vis-a-vis 9/11, but who is this imbecille Farrell??

Hm.
Henry Makow:  According to a report by Lyndon Larouche’s Executive Intelligence Review, the ADL is a lobbying and intelligence arm of the Rothschilds. If Abe Foxman is an indication, anti-Semitism is caused by the behavior of certain Jews.

In other news… NAWAPA Is the Only Viable Solution… except for Glass Steagall.
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CAMPAIGN NEWS.

 

Diane Sare, LaRouche Democratic candidate in New Jersey, delivered this address to a joint town hall meeting held along with Rachel Brown in Brookline, MA on August 31, 2011. We play her address in full as part of today’s New Presidency series. Diane speaks about the emotion needed to muster the courage to fight a war, using quotations from US history.

Wow!  Diane Sare and Rachel Brown teaming up!  Could this be a preview of the 2016 Presidential ticket?  But again…

LaRouche and the LPAC Basement Team warned you earlier this year that we are now in a period where you are going to need more than a weather man to tell you which way, and why, the wind blows.

Is calling it the “Basement Team” just a means of making sure nobody takes it seriously, so they can continue to act “in the shadows” (ala Dick Cheney)?

Another interpretation takes the form of a video clip on the LaRouche Political Action Committee web site. Presented by Oyang Teng of the LaRouche Basement Research Team. Suggesting these experiments have proven the fallibility of current climate models, he says that, “…rather than revise current models, it’d probably be better to scrap them altogether and rebuild climate science on a whole new basis of actual experimental work.”

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Wikipedia Comedy Gold!
Silly things the Larouchies tried to insert into wikipedia.
Extremist to Leftist.  Conspiracism into “Opposing”.  And most impressively and hilariously.
“conspiracy theorist, fascist, and anti-Semite, and have characterized his movement as a cult” turns into “threat to mainstream views”.
Maybe he’s referencing this:
5 Dangerous Presidential Candidates“.  He’s number 3.
OR…
Dan Schmitt, Marshalltown Central Iowa
The British Monetary System is dead. […]  The reason that most people do not know of this is that Mr. LaRouche is not allowed public press. Isn’t that a shame in this country of freedom of speech. All of this could happen at any moment or it could all be lost, we need our country back.
Really.  Free Speech issue that everyone ignores him?  Okay.

“Resident Anthropolist” wiped out the entire list of “connection with other groups”.  And shortened its current ideological placement.
Jayen466 did quite a wolloping through the field of “History of Harrassments”.
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One more item.  For Webster Tarpley, a piece of bathroom graffiti.  It adds nothing to World Culture, and is very crass and low-brow, so we know it can’t be a Larouchie:
 Tarpley is also widely known within the conspiracy community for his unusually large penis, standing a tall 13” when fully erect, beating Gerald Celente by a mere 0.1”.

Yeah, this looks like a good competitor for wikipedia.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche
Looks like it produces a better larouche article, at least.

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The wikipedia battle pops into full view in the dailykos comments here.  I particularly the reference to the “Nasty Duckling”, which is an apt quotation that the Larouchies tried to get rid of a while ago.

POST OFFICE TOUR COVERED BY DAILY KOS DIARIST… receives triple digits of response

I tried again.
“How many people died in the holocaust?”
I figured he’d be able to regurgitate something like that.
“Um, Two hundre mil….”
I didn’t let him finish the answer.  I probably should have.  I asked him a different question.
“How many people does Lyndon Larouche say died in the holocaust?”
“I don’t know.”
I didn’t make an argument for Obama, nor did I argue against the offensive imagery in the sign.  I stayed there for at least an hour.  I asked them to tell me why Larouche thinks Raisa Gorbachev attempted to assassinate him in his home. 
Q.  What do they get taught in “Camp Larouche?” A.  “Dump Obama”
It was pretty obvious what they are taught.  They are taught that their bread and butter is going to be senior men.  Every time they see a man who is older than 60 walk out of the post office, they immediately accost him.
“Are you ready to dump Obama?”
Maybe they get a bite.  Maybe they don’t.
My strategy was to get them to advocate for a candidate.  They couldn’t.  They simply don’t know anything about the insane man who is earning money off of their ignorance.
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I asked them to justify their support for their guy.  I asked this over and over and over.  I can be really annoying, just ask my kids.
Eventually, one of them just said, “He’s not going to win! Okay!”   I thought that was  pretty good “get.” I made sure that other people were aware of his opinion.
He tried to film me.  My job requires me to stand up in front of crowds of 300 people and do public speaking with Q and A being a main part of the job.  As he filmed me, I repeated facts about Larouche.  He tried to act as if I were afraid of him.  I was slightly agitated, but not overly so.   He eventually stopped filming.
He insisted that I was breaking the law by being in his space.  As you no doubt are aware, by making their advocacy public, they are open to as much criticism as I can possibly dish out.  I let them know this fact.
“I’m calling the police!”
He tried to compare the harassment he was receiving to the scenario of a single woman who is being targeted by someone.   I told him that the current scenario would make more sense if the woman were a Democratic Party representative, and she was standing there making arguments for the Dems, but was unwilling to answer any questions regarding the political positions of those Dems.
He asked me to leave. I told him that I’d leave when I felt like it.  They had come to my neighborhood, and I was doing what any right thinking person should do.  I was protecting my neighborhood from them.
This is the best part of all.
He called the police.  I told the guy that what he did was an unfortunate mistake.
1.  “Not only are you wrong about free speech,” I said, “but you also made it so that I am forced to stay here!  I can’t leave when you’ve called the police.  That would be irresponsible!”  (In this case, 1.  is plenty.  2 is not required.)
So I waited.  They failed over and over and over.  I asked them if I could have some of their newsletters.  They refused to share them with me.  I asked them about the magazine they had.  They told me that it cost 5 dollars.  I looked at it.  It said, “5.00 contribution.”
I guessed that they weren’t able to sell it, because they would break some campaign laws.  I told them that it was probably a legal error on their part to tell me that it costs money to purchase.  I told them, “Really, I could just take that, right?”
He told me that I was being an asshole.  I agreed.  I told the one with the beard, “Yes, you’re right, I’m being an asshole, but being an asshole is not illegal.”
Eventually, the police came.  The officer huddled with the Larouchies.  The Larouchies complained that I was interrupting their discussions.
I noticed afterwards that the police had parked their cruiser in front of the “Huge Meat Sandwich” store up the road.  I can only assume that they weren’t all that interested in the Larouchies, but more likely they wanted a sandwich.
The officer walked over to me.  He clarified that I was interrupting them.  I was fully confident that what I was doing was within the bounds of the law.  The officers confirmed that.
I felt like rubbing it in a little bit, so I made sure to clarify a couple things for myself and the Larouchies.  I asked how far into their space I could go.  I asked if it was necessary for me to have an official looking table to act as a counterprotest.  No, of course not.
The police went to get their sandwiches.
In the entire time I stood there with the Larouchies, they were able to get one person to fill out a form.  Whether they would have gotten more, or whether that guy actually signed it as a statement of support for them, because I was harassing the larouchies…  I don’t know.
Here’s what I said before I left them to their own devices:
“Well, it looks like you’re failing pretty well all by yourselves, so I’ll let you guys at that.”

COMMENTSPALOOZA

In “Breakfast of Champions,” Kurt Vonnegut has a great sentiment:
“Bad ideas and bad chemicals are the yin and yang of madness.”
In the context of the book, the bad chemicals are already going on, and it’s just the one bad idea that is needed to motivate someone towards horrific actions.
Bad chemicals are going to happen.  I figure it’s my job to do my best to mediate the number of bad ideas that are available for public consumption.  Or, at the very least, it’s important for people to see that any bad idea will have direct opposition.

. If one talks to them; the first thing they say is, vote for larouche and he’ll legalize marijuana. My response always is; “how bad do you think I want to get high”?

I note that alongside the Holocaust denial stuff, he denounces jazz (that crazy jazz music!) as a dangerously “Aristotelian” influence on impressionable young minds. Who knew that jazz was an insidious tool of “the oligarchy?”

I agree with you, but that’s not why I applaud your confrontational stance with the Larouchies rather than liken them to the Christians and champion their contention with you. I don’t like the Larouche supporters because they are a bunch of sneaky, opportunistic jerks who do nothing except piss everyone off with their claptrap. Everyone with half a brain knows that Larouche himself is a nut job, but we could easily ignore him were it not for the annoying persistence of his delusional supporters.

My local Democratic organization is infested with a squad of these cretins who attend the meetings, but don’t shell out the money to join. We have to tolerate them because it’s a public meeting, but we don’t let them address the group! One of our bylaws is that you must be a member to speak.

The other weekend a local Jewish fellow who happens to have an African-America wife just snapped and began bellowing at the LaRouchies, telling them to take down their damn signs.  Quite an uproar resulted.  Eventually someone a half-block away called the police who came in and calmed down the local citizen.  The LaRouchie’s response?  They hung up another Obama as Hitler poster.  It had worked for them, so they were playing to their strength.

Are those young zealots paid for their Saturday morning efforts?  or are they really the morons they appear to be?  Is there no way to get them off public property?

I  once actually read LaRouche’s book on pitch and it is the oddest combination of numerology and some sort of music-of-the-spheres morality tale about tuning.  Of course, the fact that A=440 is an accepted industrial standard and that changing it at this late date would be impossibly expensive does not even come up in his fat, pretentious, utterly insane book.
Goodness! And I just went out……..and bought a very nice (used) Moeck Rottenburg Alto, Ebony hardwood…. A=440Hz. Was I really serving Satan?!?! Who knew?!?!

Wow! Dude takes his classical music seriously.
The same article goes on to note that by Larouche’s account, Vivaldi doesn’t have the “fundamental emotion,” whatever the heck that is. Presumably, those sun-dappled Italians were insufficiently weighty for our Platonic hero. Maybe Bruckner was more his speed.
Plato believed that music was overtly dangerous, and must be regulated by the state. He was worried that certain modes would be too decadent, and insufficiently warlike; their use would corrupt the good citizens of the Republic. I’m guessing that that’s the derivation of Larouche’s ideas… such as they are.
So Plato was more of a Def Leppard fan instead of maybe Iron Maiden.

They freak when I take their picture.   At first they maintain their standard welcome face, but their eyes start to wiggle when I hold up my cellphone.

The LaRouche organization is actually only a fundraising scheme. They exist only to funnel money back to LaRouche. The point of those Obama as Hitler posters is to capture some pocket change from the Obama haters. If they could make money using Obama as Jesus posters, they would use those.  I know, because I have some in-laws who are hard core LaRouchies.  I think I’d prefer wingnut in-laws, actually.

a nasty duckling who grew up to be a nasty duck.

I saw the idiots outside of our post office. (Here in Marin County, ferchrissake, like, get a clue!  There are hardly any places in the whole country more “blue” than here.  Duh.)  There were two of ’em, like your encounter.
I didn’t see the “Obama as Hitler” sign until I got out of the car.   I stood staring at them for a long moment (about 20 yards away), and they starting fidgeting expectantly, like, either I was coming to talk to ’em, or to “harass” ’em.  They couldn’t tell which.
I was so itching to go and do what you did, otto.  But I went on about my p.o. business.  I stared at ’em again when I came back out, and they started fidgeting again, looking back at me.
I sat in the car on the curb for some long moments, trying to decide if it was worth it to me to go “engage” ’em.   While I pondered, an attractive, petite senior came up to ’em and started talking with ’em.  I couldn’t hear the conversation, but I was two-thumbs-up when I saw her step back to take their picture with her cell phone.  (Musta been a Kossack! 😉  They seemed uncomfortable with her photographing them, but they tried to be stoic about it.   I could see her angling to make sure she got the LaDouche sign and the Obama-as-Hitler sign in the photo with ’em.  Tee hee.

Way back in 1972-3, LaRouche ran “National Caucus of Labor Committees” or NCLC.  They were nominally ultra-leftist.  In Washington, DC, they targetted co-op bookstores popular as left-wing projects in those days.  I was involved in one near Dupont Circle.
They sought to seize control of the bookstores and convert them to fronts for their organization. We resisted and ejected the NCLC stooges (multiple times as they kept returning).
On my walk home from one such “struggle session”, I was jumped and beaten senseless by the NCLC accolytes dressed in black.
The degree of thought control the LaRouchian establish over their pawns is criminal and dangerous.

Past experience with Larouchies myself. At Washington National, the table was up and the pitchguys and gals were singing out about how Real Americans ought to Feed Jane Fonda To The Whales!”, one of the then current Larouchie hot buttons. So while i was waiting for my plane, i pulled out a magic marker and the cardboard back from a legal pad and made a little sign that read “Feed Lyndon Larouche to Jane Fonda!” and vamped up and down in front of their table, which for some reason got the three of them mad, so the young lady started calling me filthy names. and on the front of their table was the then-latest, pre-Giant Hydropower Thing slogan, “Nuclear Power is Safer Than Sex!” So I just had to ask the young lady whose identity was apparently under stress, “When was the last time you had sex with a fast breeder reactor, and which part was it you were particularly involved with?” good thing my plane was called before the police had to get into it…

Sounds like one of my numerous run-ins. But usually they tell me the police they will call is one of their brothers-in-law or something. They tried physical intimidation once, pushing up nose-to-nose with me, but I guess me backing away and flipping their table over went into the hive-mind as not a productive way to go for them.
Anyway, they never came back to my post office after that.
The funniest things are LaRouche saying “Well, I warned President Kennedy that..” and posters of himself pasted next to Dr. King, as if he was connected with them.

His grinning zombies were handing out these extraordinary brochures in Boston in the early 1980s, all full of railing about the gold standard and beam weapons.  He seriously was advocating not just the Star Wars program, but beam weapons in space.

These guys are so annoying, wherever they pop up. I even saw them in Germany a couple of months ago and was horrified. They looked so normal and nice, and the signs didn’t say anything about Lyndon LaRouche, but when I walked up to talk to them they were just as nasty as their American counterparts. It’s like they’re a magnet for all the obnoxious and mean-spirited people of the world, and I’m just glad there aren’t enough of them to ever gain traction.

At first it looked like a totally homegrown movement to protest the Euro and reintroduce the Deutsche Mark. I was curious.

P1070757But when I walked by the table again later and a guy waved me to come talk to him, it turned out that their nice sounding People’s Solidarity Movement (bueso.de) was just a front for hawking the LaRouche cult.

P1070897It took about 10 minutes of a progressively deteriorating conversation until the LaRouche name was dropped, and not surprisingly, that’s when he got absolutely nasty and started calling me names.

I read the article at your link about Larouche’s support for NAWAPA.  He seems endearingly indifferent to an Canadian input in this idea.  Maybe he knows it wouldn’t be supportive.  Heh.
The reason he selected the plan that already existed is only because it’s less work than making a new one.
He knows that it stands absolutely no chance at happening, but he needs something to say he’s for.  Otherwise, he can’t manage any donations or sucker people to work for him.

Last time I saw a trio of Larouchies was at a John Edwards (yeah, I know) event in NYC. They started asking him dumbass questions about the Bilderbergers and all that crap. Me and a couple of other people started hooting them down, but I have to say that they were damn near as good as Fred Phelps and his lot. One guy in particular with a black belt in passive-aggressiveness was just begging for a beatdown, and I was about to oblige him when I managed to get ahold of myself and realized what was happening.

Over here in the 26th LD, we had them show up to our March Dems meeting, where they wound up in the same discussion group as the Kisap County Dems’ chair. As you can probably imagine, another verbal takedown quickly ensued. There were three of thm and one of him, and they kept trying to interrupt him, which was another mistake, because he called them on rudeness in front of everybody, then skillfully attacked and dismantled everything they said. You do not mess with the Kitsap County Chair 🙂 .

“They’re getting paid”.

I guess that explains something.  On the other hand, you can have the same sort of discussion with e.g. Trotskyites, who are emphatically NOT getting paid and have no more understanding of what they’re advocating.  They’re just agin what’s happenin’ now.

Cliche, but it must be all about getting back at your parents.

I love a political conversation and good-spirited eye poking as much as the next guy; but I have too little tolerance for outright idiocy to waste time on the Larouchies.  I just know I’d quickly devolve into “you guys are nuts!” territory if I started up with them.
You give me incentive, however, for maybe giving it another try in the hopes of getting the police called.  I love dealing with the police on a courteous basis when I’m on solid ground legally.  Even the young and inexperienced rookies seem to have a passing understanding of what the Bill of Rights prevents them from doing.

They occasionally set up outside Trader Joe’s
which is two doors down from the P.O. here. When I have the energy to do more than yell “Morons” at them, I make sure I mention how old he is and his criminal past. Loudly. You might want to make that part of your script.

As a presidential candidate, LaRouche has to file quarterly reports with the FEC.  They’re a hoot!
Every quarter since July 2008, he has sent them exactly the same 3200-plus page report, changing only the covering period and filing date.  In it, he says he has $6,253.76 cash on hand and $1,218,817.34 in debts.  Most of those debts are zero-interest loans from contributors, which have been carried over from … wait for it …
1 9 8 4    !!
Surely more than a few of those lenders are long dead.  Every quarter, he also details the very same never-paid charges for office rental, ad buys, telephone, canvassing, attorneys, and so on.

In earlier years, the reports were photocopies of a huge pile of hand-written pages.  Before 2008, he also reported on “expenditures subject to limitation”, which totalled $3,847,912.14 for many years.

[NOTE:  those links are PDFs]

Wish I could do what you did  but I don’t think I could maintain a straight face long enough.

ah, larouchies.  meatspace Internet trolls.

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Crazy going mainstream is the story of this generation, but more dangerous when crazy goes undercover. I saw the Larouchies at the health care town halls in Rhode Island, and they were playing up to the Tea Party people big time. Middle aged white people were carrying around the Obama/Hitler magazines as if they thought that image was just fine. So many are ready to cry Nazi every time they get a parking ticket, perhaps the discourse has been polluted beyond saving, and the people really believe that Hitler was infamous for declaring that no one should be denied health care for being poor.
Otto noticed that the Larouchies were tacking right with the older folks, and left with the younger ones. Same can of worms- different branding. […]
But some of what I see on the left-wing sites is so hateful in a personal way, and came on so early, that I suspect chameleons like Lyndon Larouche as a source. Extremes tend to go full circle and meet at the fringes. Not all the left wing anger, even when over the top and personal, is insincere. Some of it, though, is coming from the extreme right and other ideologies, packaged to appeal to lefties and progressives.

At one Town Hall I confronted a young black man who was carrying a stack of magazines with the Hitler/Obama image. Did that man know anything about Black History, or about WWII and the real Hitler whose atrocious regime lives on in the memories of people yet alive? Would the good people of Warwick, who sat in that Town Hall fanning themselves with Larouche’s magazine have signed on as allies of Larouche if they knew anything about the man?

I’m deep in end of life issues and government health care these days, seeing my father through Hospice. The nasty accusations that talking about mortality is the next step to ‘death panels’ is such a destructive lie. Without government health care, my parents, like millions of Americans on Medicare, would face a financial crisis as well as a health crisis. And during the debate, the loudest voices were spreading wild rumors from unclear sources, to the benefit of business as usual.

We used to encounter Larouchites on airport patrol at O’Hare( we checked west coast and southwestern flights for illegal aliens early mornings)in the early 70′s.They were obnoxious to put it mildly.
They occasionally would find out where people lived if the person gave them a hard time by tracing the plates(easy back then)and harrass them at home.
One afternoon I came home from an early shift and my wife had a wman in the house explaining an anti-drug “community”program-something about the name of the group rang a bell-I asked her flat out if she was a Larouche supporter and when she said yes,I threw her out(not physically).It was a snaeaky approach in my opinion.
One prominent Larouhite turned out to be a former member of Rockwell’s American Nazi Party-one Roy Frankhouser from Pennsylvania.

I saw one of their tables at a rest stop in New Hampshire when they were on some conspiracy theory that witches were hexing the nation. I wanted to go up to the guy and wave my pentagram at him, but my husband held me back. Just as well, there’s no reasoning with them.
But where they find disciples–that’s what I’d like to know. The crew at the West Warwick town hall were a bunch of nice looking kids, and they were actually singing some classical music quite beautifully as they handed out their hate literature.
Flinging around Nazi accusations not only debases our current politics, it disrespects all the living and dead who suffered that history.
And so it goes:   GO TO THE LAROUCHE WEBSITE AND SEE THE SOLUTIONS IT IS ALL THERE OBAMA IS A LIAR AND MUST BE IMPEACHED NOW THERE IS NO HOPE FOR MANKIND IF THIS BUM STAYS IN OFFICE HE IS WORSE THAN HITLER.
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Remembering different political activists.  Mr. Boneberg, a hippie from Buffalo who briefly lived on a commune, served as executive director of Mobilization Against AIDS, one of the first such activist organizations, and became something of a political firebrand. He remembers the divisive issue of whether to close the bathhouses, which had been considered “core institutions” of the city’s gay culture, at the epidemic’s height. He was a leader of the successful campaign to defeat an AIDS quarantine ballot initiative proposed by Lyndon LaRouche.

Whoever wins in the Anthony Weiner race, this perennial candidate will be missed.  If I could, and the Prohibition Party was not running a candidate, I’d resort to Plan B: write in “The nice lady who helps my at the Stop N Shop.” She has been a candidate in more races than Eugene V. Debs, Harold Stassen, Lyndon Larouche.

 

Webster Tarpley:  He is a former Lyndon Larouche Democrat and almost all of his recommendations are right out out of Larouche’s playbook. I’m talking about the global maglev train system, moon & Mars colonization, 1000 hospitals etc – all Larouche’s ideas…

Va. court to consider whether to toss incest conviction of former King confidant who has died  Bevel was the architect of the 1963 Children’s Crusade in Birmingham, Ala. At the time of Mills’ abuse, he was working closely with the Virginia-based organization of political extremist Lyndon LaRouche.

Dr. Deagle and Harley Schlanger
Steinberg on Iran TV

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Who’s he being compared to now:

There is no way to describe this comment but to call it as it is: totally bug-eyed crazy. Crazy that you can smell. Crazy with its own ZIP Code. I don’t care what Ron Paul polls he has no more business in a GOP debate than Lyndon LaRouche has in a Democrat debate.

 Lyndon Larouche called, and he’s not even sure why Huntsman got so much screen time.

The Guardian criticizes Obama:  “New Deal Or No Deal
Paul, for his part, subscribes to the fringe view that recessions have nothing to do with aggregate demand at all, but rather are caused by structural misallocations of capital: there’s actually plenty of money lying around, we just can’t find it. Mainstream economists on all sides of the spectrum give this theory about as much credence as they do Lyndon LaRouche’s theories on the Queen of England’s control of the international drug trade.

It might could be the LaRouchies that Hoffa is worried about. It never hurts to be clear.

I guess one difference could be that Ron Paul can hide the crazy a lot of the time, whereas LaRouche’s nuttiness was always on full display… ;).

 

. Yes Ron Paul has his good points but he is not the only one, and having acolytes dissing everyone else makes him look too much like Lyndon Larouche. StudyLarouche if you want to understand why acolytes are

Then there’s the example of Lyndon LaRouche, a certifiable mad man who ran for president as a Democrat many times, yet had ideas that were not at all in keeping with Democratic Party principles or platforms. LaRouche made Rick Perry look like a wise, progressive, and thoughtful man. But, hey, LaRouche called himself a Democrat, so we should all believe him. Just like we should all believe that the conservative, GOP-leaning sheriff of Milwaukee is a Democrat, just because he always runs on that ticket, just because that’s the best way to win a MIlwaukee County race for sheriff.

I’d kinda like to have a good time again. Seriously, where is Lyndon LaRouche when you need him? Not that he’d be much help, but what the hell, can’t quantify crazy…
  see too.

 

Not racist, and here’s a list of presidents and presidents I’ve criticized who are white…  Must be a Harold Stassen supporter, as he’s not on the list.

Rick Perry — Fred Thompson and Barry Goldwater’s Lovechild – Throw in the seeds of Pat Robertson and Lyndon Larouche into the mix as well.
!) Compare with Ron Paul supporters at daily kos:    (LaRouchies by zonk”
and all the other sick fucks who congregate around the fusionist movement) are so widely accepted within libertarianism as to be published at Reason.com, while the global warming denialists of the left, the LaRouchies
Ten Douches who can beat Barack Obama.  Number 4.  Still being beaten by Harold Stassen.
This is a different Larouche, right?
LaRouche, along with the charismatic movement, and some Baptists believe in the seven-year end time tribulation. A secret rapture, etc. 

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Something I’m puzzling over a tad.

Although an autopsy found that there was no third party involvement in his death last Friday – Lepper was found hanging in his Warsaw office – an investigation is currently under way into the circumstances which led to the suicide.

So, this political figure in Poland killed himself.  A Nationalist figure, achieved some measure of success, than fell out of favor and had corruption issues.  I wouldn’t really care, except …

From the Larouche Movement:  Using as a pretext the so-called Lepper issue (which falsely claimed that Andrzej Lepper, the leader of Samoobrona, was politically built up and financed by the Schiller Institute.)

Wikipedia:  Polish newspapers have reported that Andrzej Lepper, who leads the populist Samoobrona party, was trained at the Schiller Institute and has received funding from LaRouche, though both Lepper and LaRouche deny the connection. [10][11]

Strikes me as probable, though I’m guessing something like — the Larouchies latched onto him and claimed his success as steps toward Larouchism, and they found each other useful here or there.  Something like that…

Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said in an interview with Onet.pl that … […]  It was the only chance to learn about strange international connections Andrzej Lepper. Z Instytutem Schillera The Schiller Institute (pro-Russian think-tank, which was linked to Self Defense “- ed) on the one hand and the various communities in the East szemranymi the other – said the head of the MFA.

The links with the Institute of Self Defense Schiller wrote, among others. “Polityka”. “Politics.” Co to za instytucja? What kind of institution?

It was the only chance to learn about strange international connections Andrzej Lepper.  The Schiller Institute (pro-Russian think-tank, which was linked to Self Defense “- ed) on the one hand and the various communities in the East szemranymi the other – said the head of the MFA.

The links with the Institute of Self Defense Schiller wrote, among others.    IS opinion about what the U.S. has sent one of the central trade union “Solidarity” (IS then wanted to establish contacts with “S”, the unions offered trips to seminars to luxury hotels in Brazil and in the exotic islands).

– Schiller Institute, a bizarre and dangerous group, like all organizations associated with Lyndon LaRouche’em (his head – ed.)  Often try to conceal their true nature. . Present themselves as defenders of workers, and strive to damage the nascent democracies in Central and Eastern Europe – they wrote.  As a result of the letter “S” IS rejected the proposal.

It seems that it IS agentura Moscow circles that do not want entry into Polish, Czech and Hungary to NATO and the EU – said in 1999, the informants’ Policy. ” W Unlike the “S” IS Lepper constantly worked and frequented her seminars.

Make sense of this last item what you may.
It moves on… Will Helga Zepp get media coverage now?
Euro-Critic Wilhelm Hankel on German National Television … which reflects the growing unrest in the country on the euro issue—a breakthrough that should, however, be followed by another, even bigger one: a prime-time television appearance of at least several minutes by Helga Zepp-LaRouche.
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MOVEMENT MOVES FORTH WITH LETTERS AND POST OFFICE TOURS

No, I can’t figure out what the Glass Steagall Resolution has to do with Larouche either.

Dateline Outside the Bank
Who the hell is this guy? His cult was singing and parading outside the bank yesterday holding signs depicting Obama as Hitler (in this town, I’m surprised none of them got their asses kicked). Not only that, the loons with the posters and fliers were actually grabbing people as they entered the bank; security and the police were called after mom was the 4,785th person to complain. I didn’t see the aftermath (I kinda wanted to see if they’d claim the right to free assembly); on my way home the singers and sign-carriers were gone but they were still yelling at people from a table with a PAC banner (which they had been forced to move closer to the alley).

His platform is apparently “Fuck everyone, especially the Jews. Please excuse me while I scream in your face from 2 inchs away about you being a faggot until you, quite rightfully, beat the shit out of me so I have an excuse to sue you.”

Picture the WBC but without the religious slant and even more batshit insane (if it’s even possible) and you have LaRouche.
“Cult” seems to be the best term as anyone with an IQ above room temperature and an ounce of rational thought wouldn’t give the loon the time of day.

Dateline One Horse Town with a Dairy Queen, Illinois

Here they were again—those advocates for Lyndon LaRouche, a man and a woman intent on giving out pamphlets, taking in signatures, and talking to anyone who’d listen.  There were about five people listening yesterday, engaging in what seemed to be supportive conversation.
My daughter and I stared open-mouthed at President Obama’s mustachioed face.  Was it my imagination, or had all the color been washed from his skin?  How had he turned such a palid, mein kampf gray?  It’s amazing what a stubby black caterpillar of facial hair can do to a person.   Something had happened to Obama’s eyes too.  I’d never seen them so glazed and vacant, so empty.
I got out of the car.  My daughter stayed where she was, cracking the car door.  I could feel her watching as I walked past the stand, the little crowd.  As I passed I heard a man’s voice, one of the crowd:  “Just get big shotgun, that’s what I say.”  People laughed. […]

I held out my hands—stop.  The man stopped.  He was keeping the required distance from the post office steps, too, I suppose.
I said, “I respect your right to freedom of speech, but what you’re doing here is spreading hate.”
The man smiled.  His smile showed teeth.  “Thank you for sharing that,” he said, as he turned away, leaving me standing there, sweating in the heat.
We were both so civil.  The man used such a nice verb—I shared, he shared, we shared.  So why was I so shaken?

Dateline Jackson, Florida:

The women had a flyer on six “LaRouche Democrats,” and on a Wednesday event in Jackson at the community college Potter Center.

“The crisis we face today is beyond a mere financial crisis, it is a crisis that threatens nothing short of adding mankind to the list of species gone extinct,” the literature said.

Rachel Brown and Diane Sare, LaRouche candidates for U.S. Congress are hosting a town meeting and classical concert at the Brookline Main Library tonight. From the event page, “The only way to reverse 40 years of economic and cultural insanity is to spark and foster the human creative spirit, which in the past made this nation great.”

Dateline Hollywood Eaglerock

However, Fred Coronel, an activist from Glendale, used the town hall session as an outlet to express his rage over the mere existence of the super congress.
Coronel shouted across the auditorium that Becerra was “playing games” with the public by participating in the super congress. Coronel also adamantly declared that the super congress was “unconstitutional.”
He was dragged out of the hall by several LAPD officers, after refusing Becerra’s request that he not interrupt the town hall’s question and answer session.
After the meeting, Coronel stood in front of the New Open World Academy and distributed campaign literature for the LaRouche Political Action Committee, a group formed by perennial presidential candidate Lydon LaRouche.

Will they ever produce another Rachel Brown Moment?  Only time will tell.

 

One Response to “Tarpley versus Celente for 9/11 Truther Supremacy. Larouche sidelined.”

  1. Justin Says:

    I posted, rather lazily and without a desire to look into it, that bunch of jayen posts — which I saw just before I posted this. There’s further explication of these matters here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:LaRouche_movement#Conclusion
    Bleh. I’d thought this was stuffed away in the past. We have that fun “Consensus” game where the two larouchian editors, and perhaps a larouche-factor supporting editor, make up a consenus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manipulation_of_BLPs/Proposed_decision

    Let’s see now… The fun comes in here:

    Good. Let’s see how long before it creeps back in. And let’s not forget similar speculation in countless other political articles. As for LaRouche, I don’t think anyone is speculating that he will run in 2012, though there was some about 2008 until he stated that he was too old to run but not too old to serve as an adviser to whoever won. Will Beback talk 21:30, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

    Super to see that we have reached a decision that speculation doesn’t belong in the articles. High five an all. When I get the time I’ll come help you trim out all that 70s dross from the LaRouche article. If we put our heads together we can probably get 80% of it out. I’ll cut it and you can tell me what is honestly essential. John lilburne (talk) 23:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

    Not what you had in mind? Brad, (insert chosen deity) knows you’re not a stupid man, but sometimes I really have to wonder. It’s pretty simple: one side or the other is in the right and one is in the wrong. To take the above example, either Cla86 is a pestering harassing machine, or Will Beback is a game-playing POV pusher. You need to make a decision about which one. Once you’ve done that, we can get on with business. Until you do, you’re going to get, depending on your point of view, a continuation of harassing RFCs or snide, tendentious, passive aggressive bullying. The reason? If you refuse to make your decision, BOTH sides are going to conclude they are right.101.118.30.250 (talk) 02:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

    This would have been an urgent problem ten years ago if Cla68 and Will Beback were the only two editors in this topic area. Because this isn’t the case, it is possible to completely ignore what may have happened in the past, focus only on future problems, and let the dispute resolution process be handled by as of yet uninvolved editors. Count Iblis (talk) 02:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

    That sounds good in theory, but in practice, new, as-of-yet-uninvolved editors show up and attempt to resolve these issues, only to be met with stubborn opposition on every point from Will Beback. Here are examples from recent article RfCs: [9][10] Waalkes (talk) 18:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

    Yet Cla68 is there too, despite his apparent lack of interest in other American political figures or movements. In one of those RfC you, Waalkes, agreed with me. Is it a violation of any Wikipedia policy, guideline or essay to take a different view in an RfC from the majority? It’s incorrect to say that I stubbornly oppose every newcomer. For example, user:Scott MacDonald dropped by and expressed concerns which I addressed immediately.[11] But I suggest we look forward rather than back. Will Beback talk 21:22, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

    Unfortunately, looking forward may mean looking forward to more of the same. [12]– — Keithbob • Talk • 16:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

    Wikipedia isn’t owned by Will Beback. If people don’t like his (proposed) actions, he can be ignored/reverted. Count Iblis (talk) 20:52, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

    Just because Will Beback disagreed a whole crew of parties to this case on that new thread doesn’t mean that he did wrong in doing so. It only shows that the battle lines are still drawn, especially on the other side of that debate. Wnt (talk) 22:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

    There are further comments, sort of shuffled in what had seemed a long-dead discussion topic, in the discussions.

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