Hal Turner, redux
For a bit of clarification on Hal Turner, and his court proceedings, continuing from my last post, I turn to wikipedia — not a particularly reliable source for things only a handful of people take any concern to care about, but that takes us to the discussions.
Now that more details are coming out about Hal it is wrong to claim he is a White Nationalist and right wing extremeist. In fact he was a paid FBI informant and agent provacateur who played these roles. Just as Jack Nicholson is not “The Joker”, Hal Turner is not what he pretended to be. This article, which is locked, still presents his opinions as if they were legitimately his, and not part of a government false flag operation.
This is quite remarkable really, as Hal Turner was among the most outspoken of the racist right in his prime. It would be as if it turned out that Farrakhan was in fact working for the Mossad or something.
The fact that these issues are only raised later in the article is misleading, and gives more credence to his cover persona than his real persona. In the case of many moles these issues are hard to tease out. Kim Philby, perhaps the most famous mole in history really *was* a British intelligence agent, but few would rate that more important than his deeper role as a Russian mole.
Here is the wiki writeup for Philby. It is much more balanced and perhaps should serve as a model for a re-write of the Hal Turner entry in light of new information.
Harold Adrian Russell “Kim” Philby or H.A.R. Philby (OBE: 1946-1965), (1 January 1912 – 11 May 1988) was a high-ranking member of British intelligence. A communist, he served as an NKVD and KGB operative.
In 1963, Philby was revealed as a member of the spy ring now known as the Cambridge Five, along with Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess, Anthony Blunt and John Cairncross. Of the five, Philby is believed to have been most successful in providing classified information to the Soviet Union. His activities were moderated only by Stalin’s paranoia that Philby was a triple agent.[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.191.160 (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- The above comments show no understanding of logic, facts, or WP policy. It is not at all wrong to claim that Turner is a White Nationalist and right wing extremist, as those are well-documented facts. That Turner was at times an informant for the FBI doesn’t change those facts; many police informants are criminals. Unlike Kim Philby, Hal Turner was not a mole, a spy, or a “high-ranking member” of any intelligence agency. — 98.108.196.223 (talk) 19:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 There are two possibilities with Hal Turner, and they are not mutually exclusive. The FBI is understating Hal Turner’s utility; Hal Turner is overstating his FBI connections. I gather that is the issue that “Truthful” tried to reference here, but his/her point remained too obscure for me to divine. The latter is paramont to his defense, which, after all, is the most compelling argument for a Deadlock:
He pleaded not guilty, and his lawyer said the defense will use “Turner’s background as an FBI informant” and argue he was “trained by the FBI” as “an agent provocateur” to incite people.”[47][48] Subsequently, in late October Turner was freed on $500,000 bond, and was ordered not to use a computer or any device that can access the Internet.[49] His trial started on November 30, 2009 and ended December 4, 2009, with the defense opting not to call any witnesses.[50] After two hours of dicussion, the jury announced it was deadlocked.[51]
And bleh de bleh bleh.
I going to remove this until it can be better saourced. The ADL article has him saying that the wants to kill some k*ke and some other garbage, but this seems like it should be better sourced. I am no suporter of this person or his hate speech for what its worth. Thank you. —72.209.10.176 (talk) 19:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
- The actual quote is “Instead of fighting Muslims, we Christians should be rounding up jews [sic] and killing them here in America.” That seems to be correctly summarized. The ADL is a sufficiently reliable source for a direct quote. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Get your character witnesses in a row, I suppose. The other possible contention being laid out there by my commenter might be in regards to classifying him as “neo-nazi”, which I suppose it is true that he did not advocate for Germany to annex Poland.
It’s easy for me to picture a man who internally exaggerated his FBI informant status, but at any rate I have the luxury of idle speculation.