I don’t understand.  Yesterday newsmax, a central publication for the “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy” for Scaife and Christopher Ruddy,  published an article which advocated a military coup against President Barack Obama.  With a few weasel words so as not to be actually calling for a military coup against President Barack Obama.   They have removed it.  I have to find the thing in its entirety here (with the “Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy” — such as that is– of David Brocks’s “Media Matters” — some shilling thrown in at some point by George Soros.)  Also available in non pdf version here.  The places that would post it with some approval, free republic for instance, deleted if from their page.

I don’t understand what leads to newsmaxs’s dismissal.  Yesterday, newsmax felt it proper to publish.  Today they don’t.  Surely they realized yesterday that this was controversial yest?  Surely they knew yesterday that it would be picked up by a lot and be cited as signs of extremism yesterday?  Do they assume nobody outside their small sphere is reading them, or apt to read them?

A spokeswoman for Newsmax sent a statement to TPM admitting that the magazine removed the column after several reader complaints:
In a blog posting to Newsmax John Perry wrote about a coup scenario involving the U.S. military. He clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one.  Har de har har.

After several reader complaints, Newsmax wanted to insure that this article was not misinterpreted. It was removed after a short period after being posted.

Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.

… Except that they kind of just did.  One word that might have been put in advisedly: “purposefully”.  Newsmax should get to know its word parsing, as much as John L Perry knew his parsing in not actually advocating this, but wink wink.

Mr. Perry served as a political appointee in the Carter administration in HUD and FEMA. He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger.

No editorial oversight?  Or do they just trust the people they give the keys to to not cross their particular line of inflamatory innuendo and “investigative” hogwash?

The proponents of the “Find the  balance from the Left so we can be up striaht in attacking this target on the right”, the blog “hotair” and The National Review corner, point to Gore Vidal’s rambling doddering midly entertaining rehashing of paranoia he’s evoked for the past decade.  I don’t see it. (Though, give me a second and a mission and I’ll drudge up some comments from somewhere calling on soldiers that they’re duty bound to the Constitution before the Commander-in-Chief.  Published by anyone of note, I can’t say as of yet.)  You will note that Gore Vidal does not seem to think this Coup is a good idea.  But, roll through the comments there.
Adam Russell:  I think a dictatorship is more likely from those who want to end the Obama presidency than from Obama. They are gearing up for something.
I think Adam Russell read the newsmax article yesterday.

The one thing I will give “John L Perry”:
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation.  Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars.  Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.
I think Gore Vidal would, at various moments in conversation, argue that has happened.  When?  Vidal might just join your Glenn Becks of the world and start some balls rolling at the Progressive Era.  Then pull the thing apart at the dawn of the Cold War.

Anyway, roll throw free republic:

Dick Bachert:
This has been on my mind for some time now as a real possibility.
For an alleged intellectual (which he ain’t!), Obama has been rather stupid in his treatment of and words about the military folks here (active and former — and there are a lot of them).
Emerging tyrants throughout history have either had to coopt the military or, like Stalin and others, eliminate the upper ranks and replace the officer corps with loyalists.
The bad news is that the service academies have been gradually infested with leftists teaching PC, multi-culturalism, internationalist One World crap for several decades. It’s anyone’s guess how these officers still on active duty will respond.
And if such an event does take place, I suspect there will be a division along racial lines but no way to tell what the numbers would look like.
Like the author, I believe it would be a fairly civil affair but, again, now way to be certain. It COULD get ugly before it is resolved.
I HOPE that oath they took to defend the Constitution — which I also took in 1962 — prevails and we can get back to undoing the damage Obama has done and get on with striving to be the America the Founders envisioned.
I’d write more but am off to rent the remake of “Seven Days in May.” The one with the HAPPY ending.

capydick:
I want to see Jeffrey Immelt**, along with Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman frog-marched out of the White House if this happens.

doc10790
Awesome and courageous perspective.

oldcurmudgeon:
That is the stupid kind of post that gives FR a bad name.
I can see it now in the NYT: “FR urges military to depose Obama”.
(I … um… really can’t see that NYT headline.  Call me crazy.)

Red Steel:
The unthinkable could become the thinkable. It all depends on Obama. I know a guy like him has ‘delusions of grandeur’ and wants to rule like a heavy handed authoritarian, but I don’t think he really has the guts to try and go all the way to make his dreams come true. I think he is risk averse when push comes to shove. He will have his 4 year term at the maximum and then bow out.

buccaneer81:
Movie poster of “Seven Days In May”
We need General James Mattoon Scott.

Rome2000:
That ALONE could solve our problems with our non-representing Representatives… though we’d have to make that Amendment 11 so they couldn’t weasel out of it should they become cliquish again.
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That’s enough of that.   Actually the free republic posters are obsessed with pointing out that the author is a “Democrat”.  This is, I guess, the Zell Miller syndrome?

Back to my basic points:  #1: This nation is full of fantasists.  AND… #2: I’d just as soon newsmax have left this page on its website — everyone knows they published it, they can’t retrace their steps here, and I fail to understand how they wouldn’t accept this as controversial from the gate.  I mean, they’ve published these articles!

Senator number 60 is Ben Nelson.  Olympia Snowe.  Nelson perked up and called some shots yesterday:  a “legitimate health bill” will have to garner 65 votes, if you will five Republicans.  At this moment in time, I am hard-pressed to tell you who Senator #62, 63, 64, and 65 are.

The dye is cast right there.  The fix seems to be in before any of those two votes yesterday, as they edge toward a bill that is a defacto “Insurance Industry Protection Act”.  I contemplate our bizarre Senate.  I need to brush up on some Senate history here, but I always thought that from the period of Franklin Roosevelt into Lyndon Johnson, the Filibuster was mostly just the Segregationists’ Trump Card as a last resort, and bills could and indeed did pass with fifty votes — the majority.  Bill Clinton’s marginal tax increase passed with 50 votes, Al Gore the tie breaker.  Was that through the process of Reconciliation, the same course that pulled Bush through his tax cuts in 2001?

In the days where Democrats were on the short end of a 55 to 45 split, the filibuster was being defended whole cloth, Fact Check dot com (or is it org?) was “fact checking” an ad from Democratic Party interest groups using clips from Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, the GOP was arugring that Federal Judges was a special case and thus unfilibusterable (has that one opposite — Judges are a special case and thus more filibuster-worthy, frankly), there were a few liberals arguring that in the long term, “progressive causes” benefited from simmering the Filibuster away.  Kudos for them on keeping a long term view, I suppose.

So, yesterday we saw that strange spectacle of a couple of “moderate Democrats” — Carper of Delaware and Bill Nelson of Florida, voting for one more fiscally tightened (according to the Congressional Budget Office) and effective public option and for the less fiscally tight one.  The dye is cast.  The Insurance Industry will be fed, gadnabit.  How else do we explain this discreprency of money?

Today, Senator Bacusu hides behide that 60 tile in offing the “Public Option” mechanism.  He’s for it, but to keep at it is to risk no bill.  So he says.  Thus, he votes against the Schumer bill.  And Harry Reid spits out a fund raising letter suggesting that which is keeping us from Health Care Reform is the Republican Obstructionsims.  If true, that is because the system has been set up that way, with everyone from the 50th to 60th number reaching downward for cover (see Baucus) and on down to Ben Nelson’s call for number 65.  The fund raising letter is just that — a call for maintainance of a fund raising system.

The nation is pack full of fantasists.  Exhibit #1:

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic. […]

Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

I hear Texas wants to secede, a solution to the “Problem”.  Then again, I heard that Vermont wanted to secede through the last eight years.  If they want to kick out Vermont, in a strange fit against democratic Values wihen they don’t get what they desire.

Note that a Republican Senate candidate has an ad on the side there.  Near as I can tell, its not an “adsense” type bulk program.  I suppose it doesn’t do us too much harm: he’s just Massachusetts’s fill in the blank candidate.  I don’t think a Mitt Romney would’ve run an ad on maxnews.  (I mean, newsmax.)

Exhibit #2, video here:

ST. LOUIS — Kitty Werthmann has made quite a career out of warning Americans that fascism is on its way. The 84-year-old native Austrian survived the excesses of the Third Reich and, in her dotage as a leader of the South Dakota branch of the Eagle Forum, recorded tapes and videos explaining just how Hitler took power. She made her case during George W. Bush’s presidency, but the audience was small–fringe conservative activists, radio hosts like Alex Jones. Then came President Barack Obama. On Saturday, at the “How to Take Back America” conference, Werthmann found herself speaking to an overflowing room of conservative activists about the parallels between Obama and the rise of Hitler.

“We had prayer in school before we started class, and after class,” said Werthmann. “One day I came into the classroom and the crucifix was gone, and there was Hitler’s picture, and the Nazi flag on either side. And our teacher said, ‘Today we don’t pray anymore. We sing ‘Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles.’”

The audience of mostly female conservative activists murmured; some of them scrawled out detailed notes, shaking their heads at what they were hearing. It had been a few days since Fox News reported that a New Jersey school had children sing a song of praise to President Obama. They kept on writing and listening as Werthmann explained how Hitler had euthanized mentally handicapped children, and how he’d kept lists of political enemies.

It is a conference of a historically important part of the Republican Resurgance of the last forty years, prominent speakers includes  Mike Huckabee, the Republican who currently polls best in a hypothetical 2012 match-up with Obama.

Exhibit #3:

Speaking at the recent How To Take Back America Conference, Rep. Trent Franks declared that nobody should be shocked that President Obama does all sorts of “insane things” because he is an “enemy of humanity”.

Oh, by the way.  Trent Franks is a Republican member of Congress.  And this “How to Take Back America” Conference sounds like one hell of an event.

Several days later, after the story was widely publicized, a spokeswoman for Franks said the congressman was referring to “unborn humanity” and should have clarified his statement. She also said that Franks meant to say that Obama’s abortion-related policies have no place in government, rather than that Obama has no place in government.

Exhibit #4:  Group marches for ‘white civil rights’ in wake of bus beating

“We were out there to denounce the violence,” said Belleville resident Jason Bonn, who is a corporal with the National Socialist Movement, a group with a name similar to the Nazi Party of Germany during World War II. Bonn’s group is “fighting for white civil rights.”

Around the corner from the shouting protesters on West Washington Street, several dozens participated in a silent counter-rally on South Illinois Street. The Rev. John Curry, of Conqueror’s Christian Center in Belleville organized the counter protest: “Our message is to preach love for all groups, skinheads, KKK, Nazis, all groups. Hate has got to stop. Our message is silent love.”

The white supremacist rally was held in response to a Sept. 14 attack on a Belleville West High School bus, where two black students beat a white student. Members of the National Socialist Movement were joined by other pro-white groups and held signs that said, “It was a hate crime.”
It is worth noting that this was the opinion expressed by Rush Limbaugh, that this is “what happens in Obama’s America”.  The most frightening exaggerated news story of a lot of bizarrely exaggerated news stories.

A bit uneasily, I have to point out this “solution” to the “Obama Problem” is ravaging around 400 percent more deranged heads than that “solution” to the “Bush Problem”.

Ed Schultz made a particularly intemperate statement that rolled around in a stew of controversy last week.  It’s gotten clipped down to a 15 second youtube clip, thrown around various blogs, I am having a difficult time picturing it discussed on talk radio of the right but who knows?, and found its way to a condemnation by Republican congressional leadership of John Boehner.  I don’t quite know what to make of this as controversy.  Is this projection from the more than fifteen seconds of radio gnashing?  Roll your way across the AM dial and it will be one rightwing host after another in accusatory tones with diatribe that starts around where Schultz’s 15 seconds went.

It is interesting to note that Air America is dead.  Take a look at KPOJ’s schedule, and you’ll see six hours late at night of Air America’s program.  Their two biggest talents have bailed to other syndicates.  Throw in a Senator.  Toss in another person who moved up to MSNBC and has something of a courtesy radio rebroadcast.  Ron Reagan is now the major face of Air America, on more stations than anyone else there.   I would prefer Stephanie Miller to be stuck into their weekend scheduling, 970 booting them out as they changed their name to “Freedom 970”, and apparently Ms. Miller opposes Freedom.

Actually, I suspect that the easy branding of a consciously “conservative” radio station with the word “Freedom” tells us how easy it is to round up fury against Ed Schultz in the “speck in my eye, log in your eye” way.

“No other president in American history has ever addressed school children.  It’s the tradition of Hitler, Castro, and Mao.  We had the Hitler Youth.  Obama now wants to have the Obama Youth.”

That one came from last month’s conservative Movement talk show bloviator keyboard warrior controversy.  Obama offered a speech for the children.  A bit more gist for the mill was offered up last week.  A creepy video from Febuary of a teacher leading her class of second graders to a song about Barack Obama.  The youtube clip findally reaches the shores of Drudge after seven months.  I will go on record as saying that, yes, the song was a bit creepy, and the teacher should be a bit ashamed.  The school, though, has entrenched itself with no apologies.  And, given the disporportionate anger and vitrol from the, and I use the term sarcastically, “Citizen Journalists” of Michelle Malkin on down, in findind the school and turning up the proper addresses — leading to unhinged threatening comments that lead the school to Lockdown, I probably would have to suggest an entrenching against this fury.  Really, I now have to side with one slightly over-eager school teacher against those forces.

The question with these things is always a “Do you really think something can’t be poked out from the Bush Administration of more noxiousness?”  Then again, back to a roll over of the AM dial where these controversies are manufactured beyond the keyboard — the corridors by which such a response are pumped out are smaller, and the echo chamber that leads to Obama being a particularly nasty dictator remain.  And maybe it’s about time I poked my own way to the book “The Cult of the Presidency”.

Hm.

Cue Leesburg directed typing on Obama commenting, fearing in cower, over the Larouche Organization.  And Cue, well some piece of at least moderately understandable bs such as this.  I’ve said about all that can really be said about that, repeatedly.
As for Ann Coulter, and her “Liberal Plants”.  In the Chris Elliott “novel” Into Hot Air, Michael Moore admits that he is a right-wing plant, and states that the Liberals have their own set of plants with people like Ann Coulter.  Oh wait… that’s a spoiler.  Damned.  Now I’ve completely ruined Chris Elliott’s “novel” for everybody.

Incidentally:  Why is this letter writer defending Rachel Brown’s question at (and at is the proper word there) Barney Frank? (A slight bit of balancing here, which is something I’ve read there and here, but tend to doubt.)  It’s a little depressing:

How much longer will we allow personal gain to take precedence over the greater good of this country? When are we going to learn to work towards consensus and not against each other in a struggle to gain political power? How is it we have created a political system and a society in which we are so mistrustful of one another that we can no longer even sit at the same table and talk about issues reasonably?

Are we bent on self destruction?

OR… to move this further from the “Left” / “Right” paradigm:

LaRoucheisright / August 7, 2009 11:23 pm
The problem starts when you presuppose that the fight is between democrats and republicans.
The fight is between The slime-mold Oligarchy that runs this Ponzi scheme global financial system, and Lyndon LaRouche! When LaRouche
August 9, 2009 9:12 pm
Merlin is obviously one who still believes everything the media tells him. Well lucky for him that will change soon. LaRouche said August 12 is the deadline, end of the road for this system.

And here’s Gerald Pechenuk, ladies and gentlemen!  Celebrating a typical Buseo triumph in the German elections — Hegla Zepp Larouche is Mrs. .05 percent!

Another way of pointing to this “Way Different Axis” is to post this:
September 22, 2009 (LPAC)–As unusual, the interval up to Oct. 12-15, must be treated as a highly probable point at which everything begins to disintegrate throughout the world, especially for the U.S.A. itself. For most of you, and I include the individuals within our association, this is not yet a personal reality – – yet. You have your personal schedule, which exists in simple clock-time, or a date on a calendar, but for most of you – – even you! – – world-time and personal-time tend to be disconnected notions of actuality.

Meanwhile, as of as early as Oct. 12-15, personal life as you have thought you knew it, could come suddenly to a jolting end. Compare it to an adult on the streets of Manhattan (for example) on the early morning of Dec. 7, 1941. Passers-by do a double-take as they hear someone exclaim in angered protest: “But, I had an important appointment scheduled for today!”

It might not happen between exactly Oct. 12-15, 2009, but it is on the way for some time near that, as of now. There has never been the danger of a recession, or even a depression during the recent three years; what will happen now, and soon, is a general breakdown- crisis throughout the entire planet, a crisis which feels to the victim as like “World War III” when it hits. Even so, even among you, some people will be protesting that they have one or another sort of personal plan for the day that ordinary minutes on the clock feel like hours-long torture by an eon of hopelessness, because they have refused to consider that such an event as that could ever actually happen, not to someone else, but to them.

What I am doing, or, better said, what some other people see as on my agenda, but not their own, will, for that reason, overtake them unprepared. For that reason, such individuals, even among us, will panic, because their confidence that it could never happen to them has caught them unprepared for what they had brushed aside with words such as, “They would never let that happen!”

Don’t bother me with that. On the day the dam breaks, I will be so busy with really important things which I alone am really prepared to do, that I will have no time for telling you that it didn’t really happen.

Yeah, it’s… what it is.  If you guys keep this up the Zombie Defamation League is going to file a lawsuit.

Here we see a member of that org (Howeard Gibson) accuse a fan of punk rock of being a fan of punk rock, which I think they view as British Imperialism or something.  Which is why they have a problem with American or UK sources in editing wikipedia. I’m beginning to think you don’t like any U.S. or U.K. sources. Will Beback talk 19:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC) (Where we also see Leatherstocking attempt a Holy Grail in slashing away “Beyond Pscyhoanalysis.”)  That and the better to sneak in the “Huge in Russia” thesis.
It appears there’s a new Krusty the Clown sock puppet nom de plome on wikipedia, who wants to pull the articles under the rule of this.  It is to laugh, and a reminder always take the wikipedia articles as things to be taken with a grain or two of salt.  The org has clearly seen that in their recent “Most Newsworthy (of sorts) in Two Decades” stint, a lot of people chunk up the wikipedia articles.

Anyway, it could be worse for Buseo.  They could be the Die Tierschutzpartei party… if I’m reading this chart right.  It makes sense if you’re harking against the American president.  And they say Europeans find the American debate on Health Care Policy bizarre… which it is, but not as bizarre as Buseo.

This is an overly optimistic partisan assessment of Democratic fortunes for 2010.  The Senate map isn’t all that friendly for the Democrats — it is about even, I gather.  Of course, that doesn’t stop things from happening: 2006’s map was sort of Republican friendly, which only meant that disaster could have been worse for the Republicans.  2002 was friendly for the Democrats, which only blunted the Republican gains that night.  How the Democrats are going to pick up three seats (that’d mean Missouri, New Hampshire, and one of several not insane but I wouldn’t really bet on it pick ups — the Republicans nominate Rand Paul and so the Democrats pick up Kentucky?) while losing some House seats, I don’t know.

Of course, this partisan boosterism is nothing compared to the anonymous Movement Conservative wishful thinking in the comments section.  These are the people who take the 60,000 teaparty march on Washington and think those were 2 million.  Of course, such a matter is being encouraged by Republicans in Congress — see Johnny Isakson’s comments yesterday.  There is one stunning thing about Obama’s fortunes: he is never going to encounter a Republican Congress, meaning both Senate and House.  If the Democrats lose control of the Senate in 2012, it would come with a Republican President.  The earliest the Republicans might win the Senate is 2014.  The upshot there is that the threat of a Republican Congress pursuing Impeachment over, say, fevered dreams about Acorn is null and void.

Another thing to consider: after all the noise, the Health Care bill that is likely to be passed is about what anyone would expect.  The equilibrium has set in: it was swerving rightward, now it’s facing a sort of left pressure as the threat of a fiasco in passing Individual Mandates is setting in.  It seems as though the nature of the media and the void of the month wins the month of August for the Republicans (see 1988, 2004, and 2008).  Who knows?  The clearest explanation of 2008 politics was something I saw at the end of 2007 that had the Democratic nominee winning by 7 or 8 points and everything between then and November 2008 essentially a Kabuki Dance.  So, Joseph Biden can be one weird dude.

Bill Sparkman, Census Worker in Kentucky, appears to have been killed inwhat looks probably like a domestic Terrorist shot.  Three names pop to my mind in terms of paranoid spewing about Census workers.  Glenn Beck  and Michelle Bachman  form the firmly connected to the Republican Party branch.  The third name: Alex Jones.

Glenn Beck who once specifically told his audience: “Don’t be a Tim McVeigh”:  And who is himself four years away from saying this:
BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out — is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus Do band, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, “Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,” and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, “Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.” And you know, well, I’m not sure.
That’s just a Morning Zoo bit, right?

The Alex Jones Media Constellation will tread where Glenn Beck won’t.  Repeat after me: “False.  Flag.  Operation.”  Roughly the first comment on any page there on these matters will be claims of the “False Flag”.  And somewhere in the mix, another reference will pop up eventually.  I’ll stop when I see it:

Ross Says:  Possible False Flag Op ????

Reply:  I think so.

hellferbreakfast Says:
Could very well be a false flag to be used to blame it on what ever anti-govt. individual or group they have in mind.