The answer to Barney Frank’s question
“Children of Satan”* and its long subtitle “Sexual Congress something something” versus “Stop Obama’s Nazi Health Care Plan”? This demonstrates a shift of style from prog rock, with its long orchestration complete with two minute musical noodling interludes, to punk rock — quick two minute songs riffing three chords on the guitar. The Lyndon Larouche movement has moved from Yes to the Ramones.
(Sigh.) Okay, they are receiving more media attention than they have in twenty years. That being said, it’s very much an asterisk. An asterisk that allows for some inner contemplation of “Real Player Intrigue”, but an asterisk nonetheless. On an “Ed Show” (that’s tedious talk radio host Ed Schultz, here with a panel discussion between… talk radio host Michael Medved and talk radio host Stephanie Miller. Maybe CNN has a point?)
MEDVED: Let me just say, I honestly believe that the people on the fringe who are saying outrageous things — those posters of Obama as Hitler were done by Lyndon Larouche, who, by the way, is a registered Democrat.
The damnedest “Reagan Democrat” out there, I suppose.
So, I turned on the radio (am dial) this morning, round about 6 am. And the “News at the top of the Hour” for CNN had a blip of Barney Frank contesting an “Obama — Hitler” questioner. The media loves a fracus. And there we have it. The Lyndon Larouche organization at one of the long time enemies: Barney Frank. The answer to Barney Frank’s question — “What planet do you spend most of your time on?” — is that it has a url address.   Why is Barney Frank an enemy of theirs? An interesting question — supposedly a matter of ethical transgressions, but the Larouche organization has a history of standing up for support of black politicos of far deeper and clear ethics problems than Frank. I conjecture they narrowed the search of an “enemy” through “high profile”, “Banking Committee” and then landed on “Gay”.
I flipped the dial to the Liberal station, KPOJ — local radio host Carl Wolfson, and his co-host (not Heidi Tauber). They more or less opened their show with the Barney Frank fracus. And And they categorized the sign waver as a person pumped with the meelee, parroting the line of Rush Limbaugh. (Wait a bit and they’d have known the truth — note Washington here.)
I feel like I’m in on some really stupid inside joke.
Flash back to our next talk radio host. And here I found a response to this factnet posting about a New York Larouchian deployment in a heavily Jewish populated New York City district — “Really, what would are they supposed to think?”
I need to get a quick brief on Mike Malloy’s politics out of the way, which I can do with two bullet points. #1: Al Franken, his eyes on a political future, forbid Malloy promos from being run during his program. #2: It is believed that Malloy was fired from Air America for having a friendly hour-long interview with Webster Tarpley.
Round about 8:30 last night (I say because that’s when I had the radio on), Malloy read a letter from a listener regarding what sounded like this very spot and this very Larouche deployment. The upshot was a description of a large number of elderly Jewish people ripping this “obviously expensive printing job” (Okay, now I feel like I’m in on some very sick inside joke with that one) in half. And a question, “Do you really believe these people, a lot Holocaust Survivors, are being led to a state like Nazi Germany?” was met with a cold defiant answer of “Yes.”
I am somewhat disappointed with Bill Maher with this. The Maher producers have no excuse in not being able to identify them in their extended sessioning, and no excuse in excluding them from this clip — the cast of the rest of the “Crowds” makes their point well enough. One other fact, not terribly well known, is lost in this thing, and I return back to the “Is this a dumb inside joke?” question. No, they don’t have Health Insurance — the Central Org in Leesburg dropped the Baby Boomers’ coverage some months back.
Of course, this whole item is a bit of an inside joke, and why — frankly — I never quite bought Avi Klein’s exectation on the death of the cult, or the former members’ statements like this. It half-lifed twenty years ago, and has just sort of reached its final level, to three-quarters life away after the cult leader finally passes. The “in” that the small number off on the margins of the margins of the troubled college-aged receives is an illusion of being in political intrigue nobody else is quite privvy to.
It is worth mentioning a rather bizarre item of “Playing Both Sides“, akin to the “They’re Single Payer Advocates leading a vanguard of conservative ‘Tea Party’ Advocates”. A concern over the conspicuous gun displaying that is taking place has settled into these procedures.
As expressed by the Larouche organization with this.
Hence, the NEXT BIG THING for the Larouche organization, after I suppose they might declare victory of one sort or another with Health Care — or let it pass over when the annual Economic Armageddon comes in October — appears to be concern over Great Britain’s Planned Assassination of President Barack Obama. It is worth noting, that this had been a previous “BIG THING” last December, when they — for instanced — tied it in with the support of the corrupt black Boston city council-member Chuck Turner (seen here with in exchange of blurred green). Meaning, the summary of their tropes for Obama for 2008 and 2009 is, roughly:
Obama = Hitler. (or, privately, monkey.)
Stop the British’s Obama Assassination.
Obama = Hitler.
The British planning to assassinate Obama.
And it appears this bit of cognitive dissonance can be played out for the duration of Obama’s four or eight years (or… eep… some other number?)
There are important side notes always available to drop. A supposed internal battle between the Clintons and Obama is a key one. This, of course, makes no ideological sense, except that the Larouchies have it firly in their story arc an “in” with the Clintons. A show of how little sense this makes, and how inorganic it is, can be shown with Bill Clinton’s speech before the “Netroots Nation” convention (which, I think, is where this deployment item comes from). Clinton defened Obama’s Health Care policies, the most quotable line being “I`m telling you, I don`t care how low they drive support for this, with misinformation, the minute the president signs a health care reform bill, approval will go up, because Americans are inherently optimistic. Secondly, within a year — within a year, when all those bad bad things they say are going to happen don`t happen, and the good things do begin to happen, approval will explode.” — tending to negate the “Death Panels” concern. And he said to be prepared to take “less than a full loaf“, which would tend to be a plea of support that runs counter to the supposed Larouchian “single payer” position.
None of this demonstrates anything anyone doesn’t really already know, but if partisans insist on lobbing the “stink bomb”, a bit of context seems important. I am guessing that in this moment of footnote triumph, Larouche is receiving a smidgeon of relatively mainstream media interview requests. From what I understand, this would basically be brushed aside — the better to avoid the fiasco of his appearance on — and he’ll fall back to that Salt Lake radio outfit, and he’s probably due for a Jeff Rense appearance, don’t you think?
Meanwhile, out in the broader world of politicing — Limbaugh and company will try to  innoculate themselves by pointing to the Larouchies (Dick Armey too!)– (small update: apparently Limbaugh won’t — yet, opting to tell a Barney Frank joke that a Larouchie might tell — see my explanation on why they chose Barney Frank as Enemy), and the liberals will branshish the Larocuhies with their brush — better off somewhere with this woman (:36), a bad example for their cause.
* It is a show of time passing that when I searched the phrase “Children of Satan” in a database, what popped up sort of academics explaining its hate-group use (for some context to the Holocaust Museum shooter, for instance) and not the series of L-PAC pamphlets put out during the Bush Administration.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
http://thesystemhasfailed.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/swastika-carrying-protestors-are-right-wing-nazis/
Actually they declaim any attachment with “Populism”. It squashes the “Elitism” they want to maintain. (See wikipedia edit attempts.)
http://www.americasright.com/2009/08/more-embarrassing-conduct-from.html
Uh. No. Barney Frank deserves great plaudits. Take your partisan blinders off, please.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/19/just-a-reminder-the-obama-hitler-posters-are-being-carried-by-lyndon-larouche-nuts/
Good reminder. I can point to some that weren’t, but it’s better to allow those to fade away.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/cnn_fails_to_report_woman_comp.asp
Not so much a liberl media conspiracy as the great media conspiracy against Larouche, right Leesburg Gang?
http://www.mysenate.com/?p=22407
How is she a “plant” of anyone?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019547.php
Good answer to some things.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/general-political-discussion/67369-woman-barney-butt-fuckers-townhall-not-right-winger-shes.html
Try again, “Little Salt”
http://unclefart.squarespace.com/journal/and-the-loser-is.html
Now THERE’S a good Hitler mustache. Dennis King, take note.
http://themoderatevoice.com/43715/barney-frank-bats-down-nazi-charge-at-town-hall/
good stance. A bit of relevant information here:
UPDATE: Rush Limbaugh applauds the Nazi question and uses a switch on an old Star Trek joke to make a anti-gay joke about Frank. The term “hate radio†is overused but this is it. HEAR IT HERE.
If we’re going to play partisan stink-bomb throwing games with this cult…
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/135528.html
Reason comments is always good when Larouche pops up somewhere.
http://wamarriage.org/2009/08/barney-frank-unleashed-at-town-hall/
…
http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2009/08/barney-frank-deals-with-the-loonies.html
Looks like the comments section will be worth a pursual
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2009/08/barney_frank_busts_loose_at_ra.html?ft=1&f=103537970
http://freshleadership.blogspot.com/2009/08/woman-comparing-obama-to-hitler-is.html
They oppose Obamacare because they want a single-payer plan. WRONG!!! They oppose “Obamacare” by the theory of Constant Motion.
Check back on comments
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/08/barney-franks-townhall.php
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=25639
http://www.metafilter.com/84268/You-know-who-else-had-death-panels
http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/phlog/archive/2009/08/19/dispatch-from-barney-frank-s-badass-town-hall-meeting-in-dartmouth.aspx
I find the “No one remembers Jonestown” comment kind of odd.
OHMYGOSH! A TRIPLE CURVE ADVOCATE???
http://forums.wallstreetexaminer.com/index.php?showtopic=833001
From Larouche Worldwide:
http://news.eirna.com/208193/larouche-breakout-on-obamas-health-care-reform
In his Huffington Post rant, Weigant assailed the Establishment media for breaking the more than 35-year containment pact: “I truly believe that some of the overpaid well-coiffed talking heads on television finally woke up and became embarrassed that they were lending so much legitimacy to people who normally would be referred to as the ‘tin-foil hat brigade’ (see, for example: followers of Lyndon LaRouche). There’s an unspoken rule in the mainstream media that once a consensus is reached that any one person or group is from ‘the fringe,’ then all they deserve from that point on is ridicule. Look at how they treated Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul in last year’s campaign, for instance.
“But,” Weigant continues, “the media found themselves in a quandry last week. They loved the ‘angry person screaming at member of Congress’ video so much (and ran it so many times) that they knew they were culpable….”
The reality is obviously more profound than Weigant’s nasty admission about the Establishment media’s black-balling. LaRouche called the shot on President Obama’s Nero Complex, and dared to draw the accurate historical parallels between the President’s healthcare reform swindle, and Hitler’s universally despised T-4 euthanasia program, which was the precursor to the concentration camps and the Holocaust. As events proved LaRouche to be right, and as the American people suddenly woke up one day and realized that they were about to lose everything, because they had foolishly gone along with a culture and an economic policy that has brought us to the brink of total breakdown, all hell broke loose.
Weird to note that the comments section of the Alan Colmes show doesn’t spring over to the Larouchies — defending some of it as a matter of course:
http://www.alan.com/2009/08/19/barney-frank-to-crazy-questioner-talking-to-you-is-like-talking-to-a-dining-room-table/
Okay. I’ll look about for more links later. Post them if you want.
Pursue the comments section here for more partisan stink-bomb throwing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/19/barney-frank-confronts-wo_n_262682.html Hey. We have a good enough demonstration that The Right Sucks. The Left Sucks. What can I say?
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/barney-frank-confronts-woman-obama-hitler
August 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Jon Stewart:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-19-2009/barney-frank-s-town-hall-snaps
http://fakeapoc.blogspot.com/2009/08/peacock-shows-its-union-jack-tattoo.html
Damnedit! The “Queen’s Network”, NBC, didn’t let the LYMer respond!
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/anti-obama-teabaggers-cant-really-pr
Why is the Fox News / Rush Limbaugh type axis supporting the Larouchie?
“The first person there… is a political activist, not a regular person”. Interesting phraseology.
http://www.examiner.com/x-19821-Libertarian-Examiner~y2009m8d19-Obama-or-LaRouche-for-the-Democrats
An attempt to slide larouche into the “liberal opponents” of Obama’s Health Care attempts.
http://www.theawl.com/2009/08/larouche-and-the-right
What a lot of people miss about LaRouche is that it’s not a political organization, but a multi-level-marketing scheme that sells political outrage as it’s product. Larouche people will constantly reconfigure their movement according to whatever seems incendiary at that time. During the Clinton administration it was all about the World Bank and third world poverty, during the bush years “Impeach Cheney†was all I ever heard. They do this for three reasons:
1. they always need to stay on the contrarian side of things to consistently push the narrative of themselves as topical, radical political activists.
2. They need mainstream exposure to get new crops of vulnerable people on board, grabbing on to a televised event (and showing up with attention-grabbing props) is good publicity.
3. New issues to bark about mean new books and whatnot to sell. The pyramid scheme depends on an entangled customer base that is either fanatically compelled to snatch up any new product, or is hopelessly dependent on the success of the exciting new line to finally lift their doomed operation out of the red.
LaRouche is not part of the health care debate. Period. They have no position. They are here to sell books and that’s it. Six months from now, they will have a new issue to scream about. They will have no real care or position on that new issue either, but they will have ten copies of a book for you to sell to your friends and family about it.
Not quite, but good enough for now.
Better explanation here:
http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showpost.php?p=380692&postcount=2668
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The NCLC’s despicable role in the health care fracas may, as distinguished colleagues suggest, mark them as desperate loonies in the eyes of most people. But at the same time it galvanizes the cadre of True Believers around their own role — real, exaggerated and/or imagined — in what no lesser an authority than LaRouche himself has proclaimed to be a popular resurgence of republican virtue. (I know, I know: truly bizarre.) And more importantly, it gives them public visibility and brings them into contact with a lot of very riled-up folk who, in the hands of trained phone-team predators, can be parted from their money by skilled pitchmen who know how to press the right buttons and are very persistent and mostly without scruples.
So sure, it continues and accelerates the process of becoming hopeless and pathetic as a serious political force; but in the short run it keeps the machine going and may even pump more life, or at least resources, into it. Or at least it seems to. Serious or honest political goals give way to organizational dictates. Ultimately the only thing that matters is perpetuation and aggrandizement of the cult. And so it’s been, increasingly, for about 35 years now.
http://howiecopywriter.blogspot.com/2009/08/barney-franks-freakout-and-larouche.html
Most revealing is that both Rush Limbaugh and Jon Stewart, both the right and the left, showed the video of the confrontation, made clear that this was LaRouche vs. Barney, and then suggested that the proper response to Barney would be to note that he was from Uranus – adding another of Lyn’s jokes to popular culture, along with the now famous moustache.
Missed it from Jon Stewart, but even so — wow. That’s some original joke.
http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2009/08/level-of-stupid-is-just-awesome.html
http://blogfreeamerika.blogspot.com/2009/08/those-dang-right-wingers.html
I never bothered to see the Obama Joker poster as controversial, and the characterization of “3 tics to the left of Obama” is absurd.
I’ll see the dwindling items come through, spot a few more tomorrow.