… speaking of “Death Panels”, la rouche’s grab for marginal relevance
For the past few days, I’ve been weighing what to do with Lyndon Larouche’s current place in the news, on the edges of the Town Hall meeting disruptions, with the most media attention grabbing of the signs (Obama with a Hitler mustache), and swirling on the outside as one conduit for the “Death Panel” and “Euthanasia” memes.
The effect in looking at how this swirls about in the blogosphere is wearying. It is a lot of half-witted “gotchas” and less than stellar intellectually dishonest partisan gamesmanship. The effect is that I don’t think it’s worth wading into this cavern today — let it die down, and if someone so desires to see a mass of links, go to the comments section of my last entry or read around  the last few factnet posts of one “xlcer“. The upshoot for the cult, though, is the Toxicity — Lyndon Larouche fills the role as a grenade that everyone thinks can be lobbed at partisan opponents. [Incidentally, when dissing the nature of the Health Care Town Hall Disrutpors, I’m more inclined toward this guy, and everyone can admit that the Larouchies are but an amusing side-show.]
But the general effect of the Larouchies, in terms of “local color” for the scenes, is probably ultimately this, and I can ignore some things here as beside the point.:
Finally, a rather skeevy-looking older man wearing a “DEFEAT THE BRITISH EMPIRE†sign and stumping for Lyndon LaRouche. Much like Nancy Pelosi and the left improperly characterized the Nazi Party as being on the political right, some of the liberals in line were overheard to mistakenly claim that LaRouche was “just another nut-job conservativeâ€; in reality, LaRouche ran several times for the Democratic Party nomination, and is said to be a student of FDR’s economic policies. Some of the liberals around me knew this already, and a light-hearted moment came when many of us in the line engaged in a bit of bipartisan laughter, each of us taking turns acknowledging that folks on both sides of the political spectrum really don’t care much for LaRouche or his flunkies.
I suspect that in the coming days, Lydnon Larouche will be making hay of the Nancy Pelosi psuedo-controversy, extrapulating it into a grander area of intrigue, with him being part of that great Elite Power-struggle — you won’t hear about that in the mainstream news because, you see, Larouche is the square root of two. The only vaguely interesting chestnut from the Larocuhies circling around the “Tea-Parties” was a report of a conservative activist taking their Nancy Pelosi Bad flyer, and tearing out the “LPAC” ingsinia for their own waving use.
Regarding the “Death Panels”: First, the Lyndon Larouche organization has been evading “Death Panels” in Great Britain and Germany for six years now, the “death panels” that would investigate the death of Jeremiah Duggan.
Secondly, it’s worth looking at their “fracus”.   The concern he has with his quasi-common cause with the “right” (“quasi” is a key qualifier), where he has set in next to Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin, is that the government will be placed in a position where it is making value judgements of  lives to society on perceived productivity and worth to society.  The further item for Larouche’s allegations of Obama’s “Nazism”, which ties in here, comes from their interpretation of the Obama Administration’s Behavioral Economics , which — in this case — would have at those , a nudge toward death.
Larouche’s “interpretation” of Health Care policies — the government ridding itself of what they decide are the “Useless Eaters” within a world of scarcity of resources, reminds me of this memo — and his “policy ” toward Kenneth Kronberg.
Of course, there’s also the matter that the org has dropped their employee’s Health Care Insurance, summarize:
While LYM morons are running around the country doodling mustaches on Obama’s pictures, while Lyn is beating the drums on Obama’s Nazi health care plan, we have the following real-life health insurance story from LaRoucheland.
What would you think of a group that cut off a longtime member’s health insurance when that person had a dependent family member in the hospital in critical condition?
What would you think of an organization that stopped paying that member altogether, and, when that member (who for various reasons might have a hard time getting a job) asked what he should do, just shrugged its collective shoulders and said, “I dunno”? (Actually, it was an individual NEC member who said this, one of the most Stalinist of the bunch.)
How does LaRoucheland have the effrontery to babble about Nazi health care plans when it has condemned so many of LaRouche’s loyal followers to death, disease, misery, and penury?
Hard to say..
I first listened to LaRouche about 10 years ago – he may be correct – certainly he is a hyper intelligent guy and appears genuine – but indeed his ideas are RADICAL like no one else ive ever seen, even Noam Chomsky, the anarcho-syndacalist). That doesnt make him wrong though – maybe idealistic more than pragmatic but his predictions of disaster are emphatic and its panning out how he has long foretold.
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the Zionist banksters at the Fed and Wall Street are propping up the financial markets, disguising the true bankrupt situation with their complicit media empire, to give just enough time to fool the masses with propaganda and lies. just like they did for Iraq, so Israel and their US puppet terror machine can attack Iran Russia has warned this would mean WW3, which seems to be the Zionist objective for their Zionist controlled one world government
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la rouche actually has a lot of altruistic policys – listen to the very last question on that webcast, and his answer – i mean – the guy has some serious serious points that needs addressing.
the fact that their youth movement is cultish in appeal means very little to my image cause its not unlike most youth political movements…
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Yes, good points. But the members act like its the end of the world and only him and them can fix all the problems. People like that can ruin your image so again, your choice.
It is worth mentioning that the next day of their annual Economic Armeggedon is slated for October 12. Interesting to note:
“Apocalyptic dissapointment” is the scholarly term given to the failure of predicted events of an apocalyptic nature to come about on the date specified by the guru or inspired leader of a doomsday cult, or rather, the after-effects on the mind and body of the cult. The fallout is usually the loss of several, but not all the members of the said cult. In some cases, “apocalyptic dissapointment,” can be the trigger that spells the beginning-of-the-end for the cult, in other instances, it has a minor impact.
History tells us the cult members have enough delusionary power to continue to chant “Larouche was Right”, as they continue their studies.
I’ve been listening to LaRouche for about a year now. He’s the only one with a viable solution that I know of. He’s a little out there sometimes but well worth hearing. More should start talking about solutions in my opinion
@Phil: Lyndon Larouche has been running for US President since 1976…….he is a self described “physical economistâ€â€¦and his wife Helga is campaigning in Germany for the presidency there…and yes he calls for Obama’s impeachment….His economic historical perspective recalls the Venetian city states that came to power after the great plague in the 1400’s ( I think)…and the many centers of power since then…and the Rise and fall of the British/American/Dutch empire that we are suffering under today…and the rise of the Shanghai Cooperative nations …..and on and on…
I watched the first 30 minutes of his presentation ( the rest later ). So far , the guy speaks much truth, but spoils his delivery at the very beginning with comparing Obama and Schwarzenegger with Hitler . Shame really, because he didn’t need to do that , the (historic) facts he mentioned were quite correct wrt Empires etc. OTOH, he seems to think that the US should “police†the world to rid it of Empires … by replacing them with one (US) Empire didn’t seem to bother him much ?
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One last note: I see in this latest burst of interest some linking to wikipedia articles. Which is, as always, naturally why the wikipedia edit attempts continue… with Herschel Krustofsky Sock Puppets number gazillion, gazillion-two, and gazillion-three.
Also, in honor of Lyndon Larouche being a fan of Stephen Colbert, well… click the Colbert Hitler Mustache appearance of a few months’ back for the Colbert bit about Sarah Palin and “Death Panels”:
August 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
http://davidjonesblog.com/2009/08/14/its-all-a-conspiracy/
August 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
The first quasi-quantative mention of Larouche on CNN since… probably ever, really
http://themoderatevoice.com/43288/avlons-wingnuts-of-the-week-larouche-and-palin/
And the moderately intriguing mention on Bill Maher:
http://misskg.wordpress.com/2009/08/15/the-larouche-accusations-health-care-reform-socialism-and-obamas-hitler-connection/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/08/12/nbc-cnn-msnbc-all-assign-communist-larouches-obama-hitler-poster-conse
It could very well be that many (most? all?) of the swastikas and Hitler images on display at these rallies are being toted by supporters of the very Leftist LaRouche, and not the conservatives to whom the media so readily and repeatedly ascribe them.
Sadly, no. (as with this as well. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2059205/lyndon_larouche_jumps_into_the_health.html ) But, In the area of vague threatenings that swirl about these things, I’m more concerned by the Ron Paulite “Tree of Liberty” gun-nut over at that church, or the swastika provided for Representative Scott, which I see a weird attempt at siphoning to Larouche round here and there.
They are at once camoflouged in and at once discarded even from them (and obscure enough to be easily lumped about):
http://gidster.livejournal.com/126457.html
But, okay…
http://beaconmedianews.com/?p=6816
http://washingtonindependent.com/54801/lyndon-larouche-and-the-hitler-meme
Gawd, I hate this hyper-partisan trenching. (Also see here: http://www.motownsports.com/forums/political-discussions/75107-democratic-union-worker-planted-nazi-protester.html ).
Worth a pointing at if these stupid lines of grenade throwing with an essentially inward-directed cult are going to played with:
http://asinthedaysofnoah.blogspot.com/2009/08/larouche-backed-historian-denounces.html
But it is interesting to note — they’re hedging back to the post – election “Assassination trope”.
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/08/16/uk-assassin/
It is a whirl-wind of tossing about the political neuroses. (See, slightly mainstreamed, the church-gun guy, and see the “Secret Service is on this asshole” “Death to Obama and Stupid Kids” guy: http://www.verumserum.com/?p=7841 — (The Noisiest gets the Media Attention.) Except we’re just bemusedly tossing the British into the mix. Interesting to note with this line, though — assassination being asigned to “fanatical”, and “fanatical” describing…:
But you can also, at any time, board a domestic flight with some whack job from the birther movement or the LaRouche Party who has decided to release his untethered anger and scattershot rage, not by standing on a street corner with a poster of Barack Obama made up to look like Hitler, but by detonating an explosive device on a domestic flight.
Cool format this!
http://shortformblog.com/chatter/lyndo-larouche-racism-nazi-obama-health-care
A Palin Conspiracy theory “Being deployed”:
http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2009/08/no-seriously-did-palin-resign.html
http://internetscofflaw.com/2009/08/14/nbc-larouche-is-conservative/
Nay. He’s a Trotskyite Fascist Narcissist. For what it’s worth, whenever I’ve proferred him up as “Right”, I’ve never said “Conservative” — nor is “Liberal” in the offering if anyone wants to steer the various items in his “Intellectual Cargo Cult” portfolio to “Left”.
My only concern with this great “hit” on the part of the Org — does this attention add up to anything at all? Does it, off on the edges, siphon any money to the coffers — or is the deployment an expense that outweighs any reciprocal gain? Or is slush money deployed because of this as a dirty trick? (Overall, public reaction comes down to, as always:
http://www.gopusanj.com/wordpress/?p=7943 )
Yes, Andrew “Keith Olbermann Wantabee†Whitman did get a Lyndon LaRouche handout from one supporter of Larouche who had been at all of the meetings I have attended. But, what he did not tell you is that after one look at the cover, everyone just threw it away!
(a throw-back to PUMA): http://thebigotbasher.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/larouche-is-pure-evil/
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/index.blog?entry_id=1935083 (defending the good Commies from the slur that comes with Larouche.)
And, I’ll view these things later
http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/08/12/file-under-wtf-teabagger-protest-hijacked-by-larouche-youth/
Interesting to note a larouchie at “European'”‘s blog asked the same exact question:
http://www.examiner.com/x-18527-Broward-County-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m8d15-Who-is-the-real-Nazi-President-Obama-or-Lyndon-LaRouche
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/2009/08/sestak-town-hall-filled-with-rainbows-sunshine-lollipops.php
That, despite Lyndon LaRouche supporters holding up signs that showed President Obama as Hitler. At one point, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports, a reform opponent approached the LaRouche table and asked for a “big sign” to compete with all the Health Care for American Now signs.
The woman manning the table didn’t have any, but offered him some literature showing Obama as Hitler.
“I don’t want to hold up a picture of Hitler,” the man said. “Let’s be sensible.”
August 18th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
A worthwhile enough attempt to distance the Larouchite poster from the general population of “Right” opposition to Obama’s Health Care policies:
http://www.fontcraft.com/ctr/?p=2887
http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/?p=1440
Wrong on ideology of Larouchism, though. See here:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-joker-artist-unmasked-a-fellow-chicagoan.html#comment-498414
In accordance with LaRouche’s assessment, LaRouche PAC organizers are now escalating their interventions into the town meetings, in order to provide the necessary leadership.
That illusion is the definition of their ideology.
http://directed-by.blogspot.com/2009/08/patriot-post-friday-digest-14-august.html
The “Dingle Supporting” Larouchite is forever going to be enscoanched in a certain blogo-right sphere.
Then again, it will too in the Larouchie-sphere:
http://garymcgo.blogspot.com/2009/08/these-accurate-reports-will-be-hard-for.html
The single biggest cause of hysteria from British quarters is the fact that Lyndon LaRouche has been publicly identified as the catalyst of the revolt against the Obama White House’s efforts to shove a Hitlerian euthanasia scheme down the throats of the American people. Beginning with the Aug. 6 Romulus, Mich. town hall meeting by Rep. John Dingell (D), the LPAC poster, depicting President Obama with a Hitler mustache and the caption, “I’ve Changed,” has grabbed headlines in newspapers around the United States and around the world.
Now this one is just bizarre.
http://www.ukcolumn.org/2009/08/17/assassinate/
He takes credence in the new Larouche line on Obama (ripe for assassination by British … as well that the Larouchies stopped Obama’s Euthanasia Push), browbeats the likely culprits in such a situation (a good chance to attack Chip Berlet), and lobs this:
The Queen won’t protect him!
http://barracknow.blogspot.com/2009/08/congratulations-town-hallers-now-keep.html
Imagine, if LaRouche PAC didn’t think Obama was socialist enough before, what on earth are they going to say when they digest the fact that he is backing off due to political pressure from not only the right but from within his own party?
Ha ha. You wily you, you!
Here’s a group of “Young Socialist”s who probably lay a better claim to what the Larouchies are pretending to do, and at the very least a claim to the supposed ideology being maligned with the grenade-spoutings:
http://theactivist.org/blog/dispatches-from-a-town-hall-philly-yds-finds-some-brotherly-love
Joined in the meantime by Sean Monaghan of Philly DSA, we waited for two hours, incorrectly expecting buses of the right to show up to antagonize the movement for meaningful health care reform. Somewhat disappointingly, the only opposition group to appear with any noticeability was the local Lyndon LaRouche crowd, whose views were so nonsensical it was unclear if even they themselves knew what they were advocating. The reporters present appeared to be quite interested in the LaRouche signs portraying Obama with a Hitler mustache. Hoping to distract the media from the LaRouchites, we YDS/DSAers started up a new chant – one quite in tune with our socialist foundation. The chant “People Not Profit” began to gain momentum among the crowd.
Or, to compare this liberal-ish concern, see also the prevalence the Larouchies play in this Bill Maher video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_W5_Ogh0U
But it needs to be added, relating to his closing monolouge about the “People Who Have Health – Care are enraged” — hm. Not the first people shown.
http://www.motownsports.com/forums/political-discussions/75186-larouche.html
Seriously, I refuse to take the time to learn enough about LaRouche in case I can’t wash the crazy off.
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Dick Armey is wrong here (except it’s fair enough comment for the ‘nazi signs are theirs’ comment), though he is playing into Larouche’s (narrowly defined) purposes.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/37824-1.html
Armey flatly dismissed criticisms that his members are responsible for highly publicized disruptions at recent health care town hall meetings, blaming most of last week’s anecdotal dispatches on the followers of perennial presidential candidate and political gadfly Lyndon LaRouche.
“The Lyndon LaRouche-ers have hounded and pestered town hall meetings since Moby Dick was a minnow. I had to put up with the LaRouche-ers, these guys have to put up with the LaRouche-ers,†Armey said. “But if you take a look at the guys with the Nazi signs, nine out of 10 times they’re LaRouche-ers.â€
“We have always instructed our activists to mind your manners, have a good presentation, be civil and courteous and you improve your chances of being called upon and being able to ask your question and get your feet into the Congressional fire,†he continued. “You can’t do that if you’re making a demonstration of yourself.â€
And move along, nothing much to see here… jotting down these particular “Demonstrators”:
http://www.acorn-online.com/joomla15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34621:health-care-debate-even-a-hitlerized-obama&catid=46:rfd-local&Itemid=778
http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=228844&format=html
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/Debating-the-Wingnuts-53366697.html (“Nice photoshopping, gotta say” [Note: shouldn’t be able to call the Larouchies “wingnut”.]
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/08/johnson_sessions_health_care_p.php
http://www.lohud.com/article/2009908160368