Remember the name “Zeke Boyd”
The reactions to the evidently competent, recently published LPAC exclusive “Halo 3: The ‘Third Wave’ of Destroying the U.S.â€, as received by its authors in the form of “Letters to the Editor†by swarms of agitated Internet-addicts, reinforce the simple points outlined, but not understood by its relevant audience, due to certain, cumulative effects of turning over the sovereign function of creativity to a Tweener-oriented culture of “groupthinkâ€, as typified by Ayn Rand’s Wikipedia.org.
The sacrificing of one’s will to a higher commitment toward the Common Good would be appreciated by future generations. But to sacrifice one’s will to the third-wave of the counter-culture fostered by DARPA, Microsoft, BAE Systems, and the new religious revival known as the Fools of Silicon Valley, is to submit to America’s long-standing enemy—the British Empire!
“Ayn Rand’s wikipedia.org”. Interesting and bizarre, and met with the appropriate “WTF is this insanity?” by the “internet addicts” (seems to be interchangable with video-gamers) who have encountered this, before they run into the part about the “British Empire”. “Ayn Rand” appears as much a slur against things that are not centrally controlled as anything else — and we all know where that bias comes from.
“Internet Addicts”? “Sacraficing of one’s will to a higher commitment to the common good”? This is just a little too transparent.
So, This website is up and running. I think it is probably the best resource available on the Internet for anything you need, even in its incomplete form. But I wonder about the FAQs page. Surely xlcer knows what he is putting together and has his real reason for putting these questions there — questions asked to him, I am guessing — but:
Some say it is a cult. But what I can see is that LaRouche has been a political figure all his life. How could you explain that?
It is a question only a Larouchite can ask, and is thus just sort of jarring. Doing the math, a college Freshman would now be born … right when Larouche was a… um… “political prisoner” bunking with that other political prisoner, Jim Bakker, who they’ve probably never heard of.
Comments here. Comments there. And the magic number is “Zero”.
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Interesting idea here as to what Larouche is preparing for after his “demise”. I had wondered about that particular meme.
October 9th, 2007 at 10:03 am
The sacrificing of one’s will to a higher commitment toward the Common Good would be appreciated by future generations.
What the ….?
God can demand sacrifice, including sacrifice of our will–but another human being, claiming to represent the Common Good? Sounds like Tom Paine-married-Rousseau-married Robespierre and Lenin-on-steroids.
Was this codswallop written by “revenire”?
Who the heck is “revenire,” anyhow? I have theories…. A current LCer with a lot of time on his/her hands. Probably in Leesburg (doubt it’s Herndon) (IP addresses are not that accurate when “pinged”–take note, BBoyd and BDirector).
Herndon, BTW, is one town east of Sterling, where PMR was located and where Ken Kronberg killed himself. Sterling is maybe 10 miles east of Leesburg. So if “revenire” is from Herndon, he/she is right in the Thick of It.
Is there a connection between “revenire” and your title character?
October 9th, 2007 at 10:56 am
You have theories? Would those be conspiracy theories? LOL.
Sorry, Rachel but I am not in Leesburg or a full time LaRouchie… I’ve told the truth but some of you are so paranoid about LaRouche you probably think he has your phone tapped.
Kronberg jumped. You don’t know why and neither do I. What does Molly say? LaRouche pushed him? If so why haven’t the cops arrested him?
Ha, if I was a current LCer would I have this much time on my hands? I’d be out trying to meet quota right? LOL…
Rachel I am just someone who knows what’s what and has followed/supported LaRouche’s positions for a long time. He doesn’t control my life, my wife, my kids or pets.
I am really sorry you’re so bitter about your experience but honestly couldn’t you have left the organization sooner and that would have been that? I’ve seen people walk away after one meeting and I’ve seen people hang out 30 years. It is a choice not something imposed. You had a choice and maybe made the wrong one and now you’re this bitter woman with an ax to grind and you don’t like to be taken to task over anything you say. Too bad.
You people have made threats toward me — tried to find out who I was. Pinged me… lol, get some IT experience and try again and if I was as paranoid as some I’d get some mental help.
Let’s just have an open discussion and you tell me why Kronberg jumped and Earnest can skip the fiction stories. I can read Heine or Schiller for that sort of thing — they are better writers, lol.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Brushing past the low-hanging boughs of LOL, I will get to the point.
I think someone has already told you why Kronberg jumped.
In case you missed it, the thinking among Kronberg’s friends and co-workers is that LaRouche drove him to it with constant attacks and refusal to pay PMR to the tune of X millions of bucks. Of the constant attacks, a number were written down (see FactNet for a sampling). Of the money owed, well, let’s just put it this way: The IRS is aware of it, even if you aren’t.
The “suicide” briefing of April 11, a masterpiece of LaRouchean agape, was the final straw.
Then, as a kind of post mortem tribute, LaRouche paraded a whole slew of “explanations”: Kronberg had an illness; Kronberg was a victim of Quijano and Friesecke (?!?!); Kronberg died because the rotten Baby Boomer fundraisers didn’t raise enough money to pay PMR; Kronberg killed himself because in 2004 his wife gave money to Bush–etc. There’s more, but it’s being said only in private (so far), so to protect my sources, I let it rest.
As to Molly, with whom you are apparently on a first-name basis, if you don’t already know what she’s saying, you’re the only LaRouche supporter on the planet who doesn’t (except the LYMers, who barely know who these people are).
You may think it waggish to suggest that she says LaRouche pushed Kronberg, but somehow, the humor seems misplaced.
And by the way, who on earth is “you people”? Which “you people” is that who have threatened you and pinged you and who knows what all else?That strikes me as being “as paranoid as some people,” but anyhoo–
I did what you asked: Open discussion on why Kronberg jumped. Can you be equally open, and leave the guffaws to one side, as being inappropriate to the topic?
October 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
By the way (LOL), you’d be surprised how many “current LCers” just sit around their houses doing not much–with strange lingering diseases, or “undeployability,” or …. There’s a whole troop of them. Casualties of the aversive conditions, I guess, but afraid to leave because 30 years ago, they checked their identities at the door when they went through Security.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
You people have made threats toward me
No we haven’t.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Wow! I just read all the drivel revenire posted. What a confusion swirls in that brain.
Speaking slowly and carefully, Revenire.
(1) LaRouche attacked Ken Kronberg for years. Many of the attacks were in print. Some have been put up on FactNet, others–not yet. LaRouche accused Kronberg of scamming the organization (see NC conference call posted on FactNet; Kronberg was on the call). What a guy, that LaRouche, eh?
(2) The April 11 briefing, based on a meeting at LaRouche’s house the preceding evening and written by LaRouche amanuensis Tony Papert, attacked Kronberg by attacking the “print shop”–run by and owned by Kronberg–as “the worst.” And then came the suicide suggestion. Maybe you haven’t jumped yet (as you proudly note, adding that you are a Boomer, as if we didn’t know that already) because you didn’t own and run the print shop, you weren’t the “worst,” and LaRouche didn’t have a bee in his bonnet about you.
You say you’ve heard people say that LaRouche ordered Duggan’s murder? That gives some surprise. I haven’t heard that, and I’m in the Not a Big Fan of LaRouche category. What I have heard is a lot of people wondering what did happen, exactly, and wishing for a clear picture, and wondering why on earth LaRouche and Bruce Director are knocking themselves out to oppose an investigation, if the Schiller Institute had nothing to do with Duggan’s death.
That’s what I’ve heard. I doubt very much you’ve heard what you claim to have heard, unless perhaps through supernatural means or the implants in your teeth.
All that twaddle about Big Guys believing LaRouche and taking him seriously and Russian Academicians and Fusion magazine and stuff and nonsense! You telling Justin he didn’t do his homework? Are you kidding? Fusion magazine proves what, again?
Also, when you asked if someone was calling Anton Chaitkin a zombie, were you serious? Did you ever actually read his stuff?
Most offensive of all is what I might call your heavy-handed lightmindedness about these deaths. You obviously know perfectly well what the assertions are about Kronberg’s death, so you’re just embarrassing yourself with the assumed naivete.
October 9th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
And another thing….
Revenire, you posted by mistake to an old post, but I just found your comments from today about Fred Wills, Nick Benton, Lopez Portillo, and so forth.
1. Could you please spell out for me what impact Lopez Portillo had on the world? Describe how Operation Juarez transformed the universe, and do it in detail, please. Because you know, thinking back on it all, I don’t believe it made the slightest difference.
2. As to Nick Benton, you are certainly a class act, revenire, with your oh-so-subtle remarks, innuendos, whispers, insinuations. Don’t make any assumptions as to what I do or do not know–and try to be more of a gentleman, for heaven’s sake.
3. On former Guyanese Foreign Minister and Justice Minister Fred Wills–did you say he never wavered in his support of LaRouche? Did you eat the wrong kind of mushroom again?
Fred Wills came to the conclusion that LaRouche had “lost the mantle of heaven,” and he specifically pointed to LaRouche’s grotesque mishandling of the legal cases of the end of the ’80s/beginning of the ’90s as the reason why, commenting on LaRouche’s cowardice and hysteria as NOT being good qualities for a Maximum Leader to exhibit.
As lawyers know, and any legal folk of your acquaintance could tell you, it’s not a good idea to open a can of worms (or ask a question, or open a door), when you don’t know what’s in the can, or in the answer, or lurking behind the door.
So in the future, don’t presume to tell me what Fred Wills thought.
October 13th, 2007 at 9:35 am
Rachel I answered you someplace on this blog. I don’t remember because like Bob Moon I am out of it. I am talking to Fred right now and he says hello.
Was my response deleted? I don’t know, oh dear. I must be losing it… no jokes please. I am tender. You might drive me to jump off my couch. On Saturday I watch cartoons and type this with something called a ‘wireless’ and I wonder if Bill Gates — the new Bertand Russell — invented this infernal device? If he did I better go wash it in my bathtub. Be right back…
Okay, it is ‘clean’ and I am watching cartoons.
http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pdfs/florida_hobpa.pdf
Yikes! The LaRouche forces are in Florida? Maybe the fall weather drove the LYM to warmer weather? Anyway, some Florida citizens got the above into the state house somehow. A sneak attack? They call it the HOBPA or do they? It is probably a code. Rocky and Bullwinkle are on, in my head, and I am off to listen to their solution to the dollar — now that it has hit zero.
Adios mi amigos y amigas!
October 15th, 2007 at 5:48 am
“Was my response deleted? I don’t know, oh dear. I must be losing it… no jokes please. I am tender. You might drive me to jump off my couch.”
Joking about Ken Kronberg again? Tell me, Revenire, did you know Ken? (Are you the LaRouche loyalist who famously said “Ken should’ve committed suicide 30 years earlier”? Or maybe the one who said, “It’s a war”–that is, there will be casualties.)
P.S. “The LaRouche forces are in Florida?”–forces?
October 15th, 2007 at 9:05 am
Rachel you don’t know me very well. The P.S. was a joke on my part. Nonetheless the resolution has been introduced into the Florida State House.
I wasn’t making fun of Kronberg but making fun of the idea that he was driven to jump by LaRouche. I was making fun of the idea that Duggan was kidnapped and forced to jump in front of cars.
I don’t make fun of dead people.
October 15th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Of course I don’t know you very well!
If you were never a fulltime LaRouche organizer, how on earth do you presume to be in a position to make fun of the idea that LaRouche drove Kronberg to jump? How on earth would you know?
October 16th, 2007 at 7:12 am
For all you know we do know each other Rachel.
October 17th, 2007 at 3:53 am
That’s right–as I have thought all along. (That’s why I don’t buy the lonely surfer, part-time faraway LaRouche supporter bit.)
But of course, if we know each other, I would consider your remarks far more indefensible than I (apaprently) now do.
October 17th, 2007 at 6:12 am
Rachel I honestly found Skull and Bones surfing the web and I don’t have anything to defend. Geez. It’s just politics that you’ve turned on its head and made into this circus freak show. I am no argument with you. I don’t care what you think of LaRouche. Have at it…
You seem like a nice enough person and I wish you the best.
Treasury Secretary says over one millions foreclosures. Who is going to stop that? Bush? The sitting Democrats? No wonder the state houses are going with that act of Lyn’s… they see nothing else is being done.
Check the Trib headline today… you’re in Chicago, like me, right? Paulson’s statement.
October 17th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Sorry, nowhere near Chicago.
Are you sure you aren’t hovering between Herndon and LA?
October 18th, 2007 at 6:18 am
I am sure I’ve given this website more posts, more traffic and more to do than it has had in years.
That is just about over.
Then you can talk about me like you do about other departed souls. Start a Justice For Revenire campaign.
Rachel I will miss our exchanges but it’s become the same boring thing over and over: “LaRouche is Satan”… followed by “No, He Isn’t” on and on.
Then the name dropping. For a minute there I thought I was back in Hollywood at a movie premiere with George Clooney and Matt Damon the names were coming so fast. It was a LC star parade of names. I am impressed.
It’s boring. Sorry, it isn’t you it’s me. You can’t help yourself. It took you how long to decide to leave the LC? A week or a decade? It’s boring for me and I admit that’s my fault. Sorry you got into Lyn’s clutches but you seem better now. You seem over it. You really do.
I really am in the Midwest. I really did find this blog surfing and now I am going to surf on… take care.
October 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Sorry, Revenire, I didn’t find this farewell post until two days after you posted it.
How did it take me to decide LaRouche was nuts? 60 seconds. How long did it take me to decide to leave? Less than that. Was there a lengthy interval between those two points? You bet–but an interval unrelated to LaRouche, and characterized by no agonizing over whether I was right or wrong.
I knew him well, knew him long, knew he was nutty as a fruitcake. I had other reasons for staying, and when they were gone, I was too.
Speaking of name-dropping–I knew Juan Torres, I knew Dave Hoffman, I knew Uwe Henke–and how come it’s name-dropping when I do it, but not when you do?
Here’s a surf-stop for you with some memos you have apparently avoided seeing or avoided thinking about: http://www.kennethkronberg.com
Ta ta