From Mike Gravel’s April 2006 appearance on the quasi-debate quasi-two sided program “HANNITY & colmes”.
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HANNITY: Let me ask you about this. You have talked extensively and have been quoted fairly extensively about the idea of a world government. Do you really believe we ought to have a world government?
GRAVEL: Not right now. We’re not mature enough to handle something like that.
HANNITY: That’s not — I don’t care if not right now. Wait a minute — in principle, in principle, do you support the idea of a world government?
GRAVEL: No, I support the idea of having world peace. Do you know a way how you’re going to have world peace?
HANNITY: That’s not what you said. You said, “A world government,” you said, is something that you would support. Hang on. You said everybody talks about world government in academic theory, you said. But you support it.
GRAVEL: Listen, Sean, I don’t support it right now. I just told you that.
HANNITY: Will you support it later, then?
GRAVEL: How many times do I have to repeat that? Here, first off, we know that if we’re going to ever arrive at peace, we need some type of global governance. Overall. But we’re not mature enough to get it. And how we’re going to get there is — how we’re going to get there is we’re going to get there by empowering the people to make laws in the United States — wait a second, Sean.
HANNITY: But this is an important point.
GRAVEL: After that, it — in the United States, it will go around the world like wildfire.
HANNITY: This is an important — hang on. Wait a minute. Hang on a second.
GRAVEL: Now, once we have a situation…
HANNITY: I want to get this in. Mike, hang on…
GRAVEL: What is it, Sean?
HANNITY: I want to get this in, because this is important. This is important, because the idea you don’t support it now, can’t happen now, but in principle, you really want to move towards a world government. You know what most Americans think when they hear that?
GRAVEL: What?
HANNITY: We’re going to give up our identity, our sovereignty to a governing body that will be as corrupt as the United Nations. Do you really want to do that?
GRAVEL: Wait a second. Sean, how could you make a jump from an organization that is based upon the people rather than nation states? What you’re supporting is the continuation of the nation states. All I’m saying is we are not mature enough as Americans or in any other country right now to have any real global governance.
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There is a bit of a pattern I see from Mike Gravel in his “Philadelphia 2” projects. The reason that the National Initiative Program will not have the same faults as the State Initiatives is because the State Initiative is controlled by the state and this will be controlled by the people— although he seems to be indicating in this election that his visions of the National Initiative are not as Utopian as he had them in the past and now his argument is that the State Initiatives work pretty well. The One World Government, which is entirely missing from his presidential platform but he’s advocated in the past and I’m sure I can look up and find some of Mike Gravel’s literature if I wanted to on the web, will not have the same faults as current world global entities — like the UN — because those are controlled by the nation states and the One World Government will be run by the people. I don’t really know what this means. His ideas are interesting to me, and I would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
What else are we left with here? I don’t know. You decide, I suppose.
Incidentally, I’m a bit chagrined. I’ve moved up on google from #14 to #13 to #11. Goddamned it, how much more can I possibly have to say about Mike Gravel?